Rick Sadowski: First loss doesn't discourage Avs; McLeod could be suspended

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I hope Kronwall is ok, and Landeskog for that matter as well who couldn't finish the game. Maybe there will be word on one or the other by the morning. This game was really exciting to watch, felt like a playoff. The Tanguay penalty was killer, you could see how upset with himself he was in the box. I thought for sure the Avs would get a chance to counter with their own man advantage before the end, but refs swallowed the whistle. Its too bad Avs and Wings aren't in the same division that was some high tempo hockey tonight.

Even though the Avs lost, it was such a great game to go to and the Avs played so well. I cant tell you how many missed open net chances the avs had where they hit the post or wiffed or the puck just bounced on em. These Avs are the real deal.

The refs really didn't give us anything tonight either, being at the game there were a ton of non calls that I saw and a weak one or 2 given to Det but that will happen.

Avs didn't let in any bad goals either. This team is just so good I am loving being an Avs fan right now.

The crowd was insane too. I think there were 100-200 standing room only tickets sold ontop of the sold out show. What a game.

I hope Kronwall is ok, and Landeskog for that matter as well who couldn't finish the game. Maybe there will be word on one or the other by the morning. This game was really exciting to watch, felt like a playoff. The Tanguay penalty was killer, you could see how upset with himself he was in the box. I thought for sure the Avs would get a chance to counter with their own man advantage before the end, but refs swallowed the whistle. Its too bad Avs and Wings aren't in the same division that was some high tempo hockey tonight.
- Footer52

Yeah, I have no idea why he turned inward like that at the last moment, foolish on his part but Mcleod should have let up a bit. He must have just been so focused on making an impact in this game he just bulldozed him. I wish the guy the best.

Even though the Avs lost, it was such a great game to go to and the Avs played so well. I cant tell you how many missed open net chances the avs had where they hit the post or wiffed or the puck just bounced on em. These Avs are the real deal.

The refs really didn't give us anything tonight either, being at the game there were a ton of non calls that I saw and a weak one or 2 given to Det but that will happen.

Avs didn't let in any bad goals either. This team is just so good I am loving being an Avs fan right now.

The crowd was insane too. I think there were 100-200 standing room only tickets sold ontop of the sold out show. What a game.
- Meeqsb

Lmao you can't be serious...The PP's you had were the only reason you were in the game in the second period...you wanted more than 6 power plays? I'm sure you think there was no missed calls for the wings either that we deserved only the penalties we got. Come on man lol don't be biased like that we played the whole game down a Dman and the PPs got you back in the game. Let it be a good game and not comments about refs

Lmao you can't be serious...The PP's you had were the only reason you were in the game in the second period...you wanted more than 6 power plays? I'm sure you think there was no missed calls for the wings either that we deserved only the penalties we got. Come on man lol don't be biased like that we played the whole game down a Dman and the PPs got you back in the game. Let it be a good game and not comments about refs

- HomestyleMelt

The fact that the avs scored on the power play have nothing to do with the refs not calling penalties/penalty shots that I think there could or should have been called.

I wish Kronwall the best it was an unfortunate injury.

While we were on the PP when we scored the goals its not like it was the sole reason we "got back in the game" anyways, goalie was just beaten by the shots. Wings won the 1st, Avs won the 2nd and the wings came out ahead in an even 3rd.

The wings may have won but I think avs were the better team and I loved the game even if we didn't get the win.

No reason for you to misinterpret what I was saying however.

Not stating the outcome of the game was influenced by the refs or anything like that. Just pointing out that there were quite a few non calls for the avs that could have went the other way that didn't more so than you would see in most games.

Just stating an observation but not drawing a conclusion.

Nice start by you guys, want to dislike the Avs so much but the hatred isn't back yet, I'm sure it'll come with familiarity over season.

As a few of you have said in the past, here's hoping to bitterly contested WCFs like we had in the 90s.

Just saw the replay on the NHL site and have mixed thoughts on it. Kronwall spun into the hit with his head low. The Avs player finished his check...boom-boom. The announcers saying he left his feet, targeted his head were ludicris.

Hate to see ANYONE get hurt, especially concussion, and I'd probably be pissed if I were a Wings fan, but lets not make more of a villian of the Avs player.

Things are looking up for the Avs. Exciting hockey.

Plenty of calls/non-calls both ways..I guess if one is expecting tit for tat, I would have been disappointed that i didn't get a call with 3 minutes to go or so....NBA?

I see McLeod getting a minimum 5 games. People are getting 3 games for high elbow (Brad Stuart) He has somewhat of a rep. Has he been suspended before?

Difference in this game was experience. Western conference hockey at its best.

Not may get suspended .... but will get suspended.

Things are looking up for the Avs. Exciting hockey.

Plenty of calls/non-calls both ways..I guess if one is expecting tit for tat, I would have been disappointed that i didn't get a call with 3 minutes to go or so....NBA?

I see McLeod getting a minimum 5 games. People are getting 3 games for high elbow (Brad Stuart) He has somewhat of a rep. Has he been suspended before?

Difference in this game was experience. Western conference hockey at its best.
- MedicineMan

Ridiculous. 5 games? Has a reputation? You don't know what the (frank) you're talking about, typical tunnel vision wings fan.

McLeod has never been disciplined by the NHL, fyi, and when you hit a guy with your arms down against your sides along the boards when the guy knew you were following him in, that's not even a valid misconduct call, let alone a suspension.

Kronwall has been in the league long enough to know not to pull a spin move along the boards with your head at stomach-height. It was his own fault, and he admitted such in the post-game.

If McLeod gets suspended, its only because Shanny is biased in favor of the wings.

Ridiculous. 5 games? Has a reputation? You don't know what the (frank) you're talking about, typical tunnel vision wings fan.

McLeod has never been disciplined by the NHL, fyi, and when you hit a guy with your arms down against your sides along the boards when the guy knew you were following him in, that's not even a valid misconduct call, let alone a suspension.

Kronwall has been in the league long enough to know not to pull a spin move along the boards with your head at stomach-height. It was his own fault, and he admitted such in the post-game.

If McLeod gets suspended, its only because Shanny is biased in favor of the wings.
- TommyDeVito

Kronwall may have put himself in a somewhat vulnerable position, but his back was turned toward McLeod the entire way and it is his responsibility not to bury an opponent's head into the boards. I think a 5-game suspension would be appropriate. First offense, however very serious in nature with the head being the principle point of contact.

You can look at the hit many ways with slo-mo replay but at game speed, that's the exact kind of hit they are trying to take out of hockey.

In a game pumped up that big...that was just a really bad play by Cody that seemed to start us off playing catch-up. We're not built defensively for that, have to play smarter than that.

I just hate to see such a crucial play being made by our 4th line.

On the flip side, if you are going to lose a game, it sure is bitter sweet to see Landeskog and EJ get their first goals of the season. Watching Duchene with the puck...I don't know what to say...there were signs last year but we're watching a kid transition from good to great with nearly every shift.

If he's not on the Team Canada squad...something is drastically wrong with the program.

Kronwall may have put himself in a somewhat vulnerable position, but his back was turned toward McLeod the entire way and it is his responsibility not to bury an opponent's head into the boards. I think a 5-game suspension would be appropriate. First offense, however very serious in nature with the head being the principle point of contact.
- TwoPieceFeed

I think 5 games probably will be the call, in my opinion its too much, 3 games should be the right call.

In the end it was ultimately's McLeods fault for the hit, but even as Kronwall said himself, he put himself into that position. If he didnt turn so low it woudl have been a really a borading call regardless, McLeod had numbers the whole way, but bc of how kronwall got his head hit instead.

Dumb play by McLeod but hes not a dirty player who looks for those hits, I assume his emotions got the best of him to make an impact hit to start the game got the best of him.

Things are looking up for the Avs. Exciting hockey.

Plenty of calls/non-calls both ways..I guess if one is expecting tit for tat, I would have been disappointed that i didn't get a call with 3 minutes to go or so....NBA?

I see McLeod getting a minimum 5 games. People are getting 3 games for high elbow (Brad Stuart) He has somewhat of a rep. Has he been suspended before?

Difference in this game was experience. Western conference hockey at its best.
- MedicineMan

Stuart has a rep of boarding line hits if anything, he finally got caught with one. I thought he should have been suspended for his hit on Landeskog last year, even though Landy himself said he put himself in that position, Stuart still had the princinple point of contact to the head....and thats how Shanny saw it as well, Landys fault not Stuarts.

Could very much be the same thing we see her, should be a suspension, but heck if Kessel can get away with only pre games for 2 vicisious slashes and then a little spear, we just dont know anymore

Lmao you can't be serious...The PP's you had were the only reason you were in the game in the second period...you wanted more than 6 power plays? I'm sure you think there was no missed calls for the wings either that we deserved only the penalties we got. Come on man lol don't be biased like that we played the whole game down a Dman and the PPs got you back in the game. Let it be a good game and not comments about refs

- HomestyleMelt

I loved all the calls on Bertuzzi, just his reaction every time and then seeing him being boo'd like crazy once they showed him on the big screen. Thats just some old time fun hockey hatred right there. Classic

You can look at the hit many ways with slo-mo replay but at game speed, that's the exact kind of hit they are trying to take out of hockey.

In a game pumped up that big...that was just a really bad play by Cody that seemed to start us off playing catch-up. We're not built defensively for that, have to play smarter than that.

I just hate to see such a crucial play being made by our 4th line.

On the flip side, if you are going to lose a game, it sure is bitter sweet to see Landeskog and EJ get their first goals of the season. Watching Duchene with the puck...I don't know what to say...there were signs last year but we're watching a kid transition from good to great with nearly every shift.

If he's not on the Team Canada squad...something is drastically wrong with the program.
- Fols19

Duchene (I freaking hate when people spell his name wrong FFS) is a high-quality player with a phenomenal skillset, and would be a valuable cog to Team Canada. And should be. His two-way game is underrated (however difficult to notice playing against Detroit's top lines). He has great hands and feet, and the grapefruit in his noggin is better than most in the league. He does the #9 justice. Might need to add some more grit to his game.

Ridiculous. 5 games? Has a reputation? You don't know what the (frank) you're talking about, typical tunnel vision wings fan.

McLeod has never been disciplined by the NHL, fyi, and when you hit a guy with your arms down against your sides along the boards when the guy knew you were following him in, that's not even a valid misconduct call, let alone a suspension.

Kronwall has been in the league long enough to know not to pull a spin move along the boards with your head at stomach-height. It was his own fault, and he admitted such in the post-game.

If McLeod gets suspended, its only because Shanny is biased in favor of the wings.
- TommyDeVito

Ha ha Tommy..uptight at all. His rep. IMO would be as an enforcer rather than a dirty player. When I think of the Avs, and that role, his name pops in my mind. Personally, I don't know regarding him being suspended, it was a question.

5 games takes in account that he left the game and didn't come back. Stretcher effect. They take all that into account. I don't think there was any real malice. Just the guys first shift maybe.

Regarding Stuart, never had a suspension before that for a hit. Stick infraction. His 3 wasn't for a hit from behind. I'm still sticking with 5. Could be 3. I would be surprised if it was 3 because it was from behind. FWIW.

And Tommy don't be so sensitive. Alfie wouldn't have bolted if Murray wouldn't have been so cheap

Duchene (I freaking hate when people spell his name wrong FFS) is a high-quality player with a phenomenal skillset, and would be a valuable cog to Team Canada. And should be. His two-way game is underrated (however difficult to notice playing against Detroit's top lines). He has great hands and feet, and the grapefruit in his noggin is better than most in the league. He does the #9 justice. Might need to add some more grit to his game.
- TwoPieceFeed

He had a good game, his faceoff game is under rated too, was drawing at 53% last year and is keeping up the trend this year.

Dont need grit on his line when you have Downie mucking around in the corners ha, love that guy but sometimes he is like a bull in a china shop when it comes to finishing the play.

5 games takes in account that he left the game and didn't come back. Stretcher effect. They take all that into account. I don't think there was any real malice. Just the guys first shift maybe.
- MedicineMan

I dont think that comes into play at all, if a player is lucky and isnt seriously hurt it doesnt stop the play from being reckless or violent. They are policing the game and the play, not tacking on games if a player ends up being hurt because of it.

If you have a really dirty hit and a guy is out only that game, it shoudlnt warrent any more or less games than a slightly less dirty hit and the guy being out for multiple games. Its the play not the end result.

It sucks that Kronwall got hurt on the play, but because he got a concussion from it, I dont think will change them from evulating the play.

I dont think that comes into play at all, if a player is lucky and isnt seriously hurt it doesnt stop the play from being reckless or violent. They are policing the game and the play, not tacking on games if a player ends up being hurt because of it.

If you have a really dirty hit and a guy is out only that game, it shoudlnt warrent any more or less games than a slightly less dirty hit and the guy being out for multiple games. Its the play not the end result
- DDM-Coga

You don't think subconsciously that doesn't play into it? The stretcher effect? How that looks on the game from the non hockey eyes looking in. I'm not saying it is right, but as we all know, there is a human element (subjective) with the punishment. I think Shanny is trying not to do that to a greater extent, but Lobbying still happens from the team with the inquired player. The human mind is a funny thing.

Rick Sadowski: First loss doesn't discourage Avs; McLeod could be suspended
- Rick Sadowski

Could be suspended?

You don't think subconsciously that doesn't play into it? The stretcher effect? How that looks on the game from the non hockey eyes looking in. I'm not saying it is right, but as we all know, there is a human element (subjective) with the punishment. I think Shanny is trying not to do that to a greater extent, but Lobbying still happens from the team with the inquired player. The human mind is a funny thing.
- MedicineMan

Lets say if he skated off on his own ability, but still has a concussion and cuts to the face, does it make it any less suspendable of a play? I just think you cant get too emotional when looking the end result to sway your judgement. Sure it sucks that it ended up like how it did but is the play any more dangerous or reckless bc of it. I know you want to feel sorry deep down for it and do the right thing but thats why its a tough job, you have to be cold and remove all emotion from it. If they start doing that looking at the end result, players can arguee well he deserved it, look at what he did to me here, here, and here leading up to the play, he provoked me to hit him.