GARTH'S CORNER: Miller Left High & Dry

Myers, enroth, foligno

Myers, enroth, foligno
- hugefemale dog77

For?

For?
- Pierceme69

First question is do u believe miller will resign if u made this move?
Is there willingness to let enroth go?

Any deal would focus on yakupov as the main piece

First question is do u believe miller will resign if u made this move?
Is there willingness to let enroth go?

Any deal would focus on yakupov as the main piece
- hugefemale dog77

I would think that Miller prob wouldn't agree to re-sign with EDM as part of the trade. He'd prob wanna keep his options open. Doesn't mean he wouldn't consider the Oilers once he becomes a free agent, but locking himself into a long-term deal now prob doesn't make sense for him.
Same with Vanek.

I could see Myers and Yakupov as being the major pieces of a deal though. It would make sense for both squads. You guys trade forward depth & we trade defensive depth. I doubt it's one for one, but I could see a deal like that happening with pieces added.

GARTH'S CORNER: Miller Left High & Dry
- garth

Miller played pretty damn well in the first, team just left him out there to take on the Canucks by himself. He could definitely help out a team like the Oilers(if Dunbyk doesn't bounce back from his horrid start) or Islanders IMO

I would think that Miller prob wouldn't agree to re-sign with EDM as part of the trade. He'd prob wanna keep his options open. Doesn't mean he wouldn't consider the Oilers once he becomes a free agent, but locking himself into a long-term deal now prob doesn't make sense for him.
Same with Vanek.

I could see Myers and Yakupov as being the major pieces of a deal though. It would make sense for both squads. You guys trade forward depth & we trade defensive depth. I doubt it's one for one, but I could see a deal like that happening with pieces added.
- jdfitz77

Fo show.
Apparently edm isnt a destination he'll consider.
I meant miller resigning with u if we got enroth.

And although i seem to part of the minority who still thinks myers can be a stud, his contract is a huge gamble.

Enroth and myers

Yakupov

Fo show.
Apparently edm isnt a destination he'll consider.
I meant miller resigning with u if we got enroth.

And although i seem to part of the minority who still thinks myers can be a stud, his contract is a huge gamble.

Enroth and myers

Yakupov
- hugefemale dog77

Getting Yakupov would be big towards convincing Miller and/or Vanek to stay...
But I still think they'd move on
Even with adding Yakupov and a likely top3 draft pick,
We'd still be looking at another year or two of struggling play while all these kids we have grow up.

On your trade proposal....
I'd say yes
It's a fair deal
The Sabres only do it if they can re-sign Miller or have A LOT of faith in Hackett who we got from MIN as part of the pominville trade) to step in next season.

I think your proposal works for both teams though

You don't really ever hear about Goalies being moved mid season to another club as major trade components...when was the last "Goalie Blockbuster"..? For so many reasons, but Goaltenders are integral to a "team defensive system"....because of that, I don't think Miller will move this year. He's great and everyone knows it, but it is very unlikely that he moves.
Vanek will be traded for a "blue chip prospect"and a 1st or 2nd rounder........that is going to happen. He has amazing value for a team making a deep playoff run. Darcy might even get a 1st (2015) and a 2nd (2014) plus a young 18-23 year old potential star for him, even as a rental.

Miller played pretty damn well in the first, team just left him out there to take on the Canucks by himself. He could definitely help out a team like the Oilers(if Dunbyk doesn't bounce back from his horrid start) or Islanders IMO
- Nucker101

This happens to Miller nightly
The guy is still a top goalie in the league. Just hard to see that when u look at his stats and don't see how bad we play in front of him.
There's a lot of teams Miller would help either get to the playoffs, or take that next step from playoff team to cup contender.

You don't really ever hear about Goalies being moved mid season to another club as major trade components...when was the last "Goalie Blockbuster"..? For so many reasons, but Goaltenders are integral to a "team defensive system"....because of that, I don't think Miller will move this year. He's great and everyone knows it, but it is very unlikely that he moves.
Vanek will be traded for a "blue chip prospect"and a 1st or 2nd rounder........that is going to happen. He has amazing value for a team making a deep playoff run. Darcy might even get a 1st (2015) and a 2nd (2014) plus a young 18-23 year old potential star for him, even as a rental.
- notalent

Ya, there's lots of teams out there that would love Vanek. We will get a very good return for him.
Miller will also be moved. But our options are smaller, so the return will be decent but not great

First question is do u believe miller will resign if u made this move?
Is there willingness to let enroth go?

Any deal would focus on yakupov as the main piece
- hugefemale dog77

We could get Yaks to play with Grigs and Scott on the 4th line. That's how Rolston does business. But Rolston is a teacher.

We could get Yaks to play with Grigs and Scott on the 4th line. That's how Rolston does business. But Rolston is a teacher.
- Dwight K. Schrute

Rolston needs to go
This is a joke. Less than 7min of ice time with McCormick and Scott?!
Wtf is that BS?!
I understand making him earn his ice time, but how do u expect him to make plays on a line with two guys that wouldn't even see ice time on most teams in this league. If u put Hodgson, Vanek, etc with those two they wouldn't produce either! Hell, I bet Crosby wouldn't even!

Rolston needs to go
This is a joke. Less than 7min of ice time with McCormick and Scott?!
Wtf is that BS?!
I understand making him earn his ice time, but how do u expect him to make plays on a line with two guys that wouldn't even see ice time on most teams in this league. If u put Hodgson, Vanek, etc with those two they wouldn't produce either! Hell, I bet Crosby wouldn't even!
- jdfitz77

Exactly. How can he develop on the ice when he gets no ice time? How can he score when playing with 2 slags? Utter BS! It's like if the Bills only played EJ Manuel on running plays.

Exactly. How can he develop on the ice when he gets no ice time? How can he score when playing with 2 slags? Utter BS! It's like if the Bills only played EJ Manuel on running plays.
- Dwight K. Schrute

Ya. Just horrible...

I know everyone is all "fire Darcy" but he has been killing it in the Draft!
Check out Adam French's blog on the main page.
He talks about each teams prospects from the 2013 draft.
Mentions between 1-3 players for each team,
Except the Sabres...
Where he talks about SIX
and he didn't even include Bailey (2nd round)

Ya, we suck now. And to a degree that is Darcy's fault.
But I LOVE what he's doing with the rebuild so far

Ya. Just horrible...

I know everyone is all "fire Darcy" but he has been killing it in the Draft!
Check out Adam French's blog on the main page.
He talks about each teams prospects from the 2013 draft.
Mentions between 1-3 players for each team,
Except the Sabres...
Where he talks about SIX
and he didn't even include Bailey (2nd round)

Ya, we suck now. And to a degree that is Darcy's fault.
But I LOVE what he's doing with the rebuild so far
- jdfitz77

The only problem I have with Darcy is that the organization has grown stale. I really had hoped to see a new culture forming in the locker room but it seems that we have the same excuses being made. If Darcy does end up getting fired, I doubt he is out of work for long. I do though hold Darcy accountable for Rolston, Stafford and the length of Hodgsons deal. I don't think 6 years was a smart move.

Meanwhile, Lindy Ruff's boys handed San Jose their first loss of the season. Tortorella wasn't good enough for the Rangers nor Peter Laviolette for the Flyers and those two teams have just 3 wins between them. Perhaps the owners need to grab this dog by the tail and fire a slew of lawyers being paid in Toronto. NHL Court has become as much of the story as the scores on the ice, where players are paid to sleepwalk. Is the whole planet upside down?

Meanwhile, Lindy Ruff's boys handed San Jose their first loss of the season. Tortorella wasn't good enough for the Rangers nor Peter Laviolette for the Flyers and those two teams have just 3 wins between them. Perhaps the owners need to grab this dog by the tail and fire a slew of lawyers being paid in Toronto. NHL Court has become as much of the story as the scores on the ice, where players are paid to sleepwalk. Is the whole planet upside down?
- TJ

This team sucked even with Lindy. They need a culture change.

The only problem I have with Darcy is that the organization has grown stale. I really had hoped to see a new culture forming in the locker room but it seems that we have the same excuses being made. If Darcy does end up getting fired, I doubt he is out of work for long. I do though hold Darcy accountable for Rolston, Stafford and the length of Hodgsons deal. I don't think 6 years was a smart move.
- Dwight K. Schrute

I love the Hodgson deal
He's no Derrick Roy
And I know ppl hate Stafford NOW, but what was Darcy to do? The guy had just dropped 31goals in only 62games...
It was actually a pretty good contract
I blame what happened after on Stafford. Darcy's only other option besides signing him, was a trade...
Maybe we could've got good value, maybe not. But at the time, it wasn't a bad deal.

Leino's contract = AWFUL
Myers' deal was a bad idea as well

I'm not saying he hasn't made awful mistakes,
He clearly has

What's we're doing now though, is building for the future...
And I REALLY like the direction we're heading

I think the Zadorov pick was brilliant
I don't ever remember us having the true "shutdown" pair that every cup winning team seams to have
And we may have just acquired that in ONE draft!
Our defense for the future is STACKED
LH
Zadorov
Ehrhoff
Weber
McNabb
McCabe
RH
Ristolainen
Myers
Pysyk
Ruhwedel
McBain

Ppl are all upset we didn't draft a forward in the 1st round this year... But we did great in getting Compher & Hurley (both 1st round talents), plus Bailey looks to be a good prospect, and Bapitste & Possler are looking like major steals!
Not to mention,
Hodgson, Ennis, Grigorenko, Girgensons & Armia are all 1st round picks!
Catenacci was supposed to go late-1st in his draft year, and guys like Larsson & Foligno are going to fit somewhere in the Top9
Plus role players like Flynn & Tropp look like they'll be able to contribute in the NHL

Add to ALL that...
What we get in return for Miller & Vanek, and possibly Ott...
Plus we are likely drafting top3 this year
And I think next year as well

Teams like Toronto took 10yrs to "rebuild"
Looks like we're on pace to do it in about 1/3 of that time
I know the next couple years are gonna suck,
But Darcy has done a really good job collecting young talent if u ask me
We need a few more pieces...
And some patience

We're definitely on the right track IMO

Ya. Just horrible...

I know everyone is all "fire Darcy" but he has been killing it in the Draft!
Check out Adam French's blog on the main page.
He talks about each teams prospects from the 2013 draft.
Mentions between 1-3 players for each team,
Except the Sabres...
Where he talks about SIX
and he didn't even include Bailey (2nd round)

Ya, we suck now. And to a degree that is Darcy's fault.
But I LOVE what he's doing with the rebuild so far
- jdfitz77

Fire Darcy! Fire Darcy! Fire Darcy!

I have no faith that he'll assemble whatever parts he acquires/drafts properly. Grigorenko already looks like a bust. The guy shows no flashes whatsoever of any promise.

Myers and Ennis aren't the players Darcy said they were. Other former top picks have flamed out (Stafford) or never done anything (Ballard, Zagrapan, Persson).

I'm not getting my hopes up too high for the current prospects the Darcy apologists are buzzing about.

Edit: at least Ballard got us Drury, but his career has been underwhelming...another Darcy top pick that isn't a top talent

The issue with Darcy and this team it that they have always invested so much into prospects/players that they over value. Darcy does well in trades because he holds out for so much, however on the flip side, when contract renewal comes up... he overpays, and now Myers, Stafford and Leino's (via FA) contracts are killings us vs. the cap.

If you're "rebuilding" for a third time during your tenure (16 years), the organization needs to look in a different direction... To bad they won't pull the trigger, they've already committed..Once he deals Vanak and Miller he will be given at least 2 more years minimum to see it through.

The only problem I have with Darcy is that the organization has grown stale. I really had hoped to see a new culture forming in the locker room but it seems that we have the same excuses being made. If Darcy does end up getting fired, I doubt he is out of work for long. I do though hold Darcy accountable for Rolston, Stafford and the length of Hodgsons deal. I don't think 6 years was a smart move.
- Dwight K. Schrute

How can anybody be upset with Hodgsons deal? Its 4mil per. I think that is awesome. Better than giving him a "bridge" deal, having him do awesome, and paying him 6 or 7 or even 8 mil per, just to find out your overpaying by a couple mil per year. Its consistent, and if his play doesn't exceed his pay, I am confident that he will at least be very close

And why the frank does everyone want Yakupov. I read that he is uber talented, but doesnt want to follow a system. He wants to do his own thing out there ( Derek Roy???)

And good lord Myers is super young, and people want to ditch him? I find it hard to believe that he wont get to back to where he was his rookie year. He is playing better a lot better thus far.

End rant

That would be a typical Regier move to trade for Yakupov - WHY would snyone want a player who comes out and says he doesn't play hard every shift, doesn't want to hit or forecheck each shift? A player who the Russin team scout is doubtful that he wants on the team?

REGIER NEEDS TO GO NOW, WE NEED TO GO IN A NEW DIRECTION. BUFFALO DOESN'T DESERVE TO "SUFFER" FOR THE NEXT 2-3 YEARS WHILE THIS TEAM LEARNS TO WIN.

15 YEARS, 4 DIFFERENT REBUILDS - GET OUTTA TOWN DARCY!!!!

The issue with Darcy and this team it that they have always invested so much into prospects/players that they over value. Darcy does well in trades because he holds out for so much, however on the flip side, when contract renewal comes up... he overpays, and now Myers, Stafford and Leino's (via FA) contracts are killings us vs. the cap.

If you're "rebuilding" for a third time during your tenure (16 years), the organization needs to look in a different direction... To bad they won't pull the trigger, they've already committed..Once he deals Vanak and Miller he will be given at least 2 more years minimum to see it through.
- butch5469

First off, just stating I agree with you. But the argument I have encountered with 3 rebuilds in his career is countered with his hands being tied under different ownership. He was not able to do anything in the past and now that Pegula gave him more power, there have a been a few great moves (Pommer trade, Gaustad, draft picks, etc) Again I agree with you but I run into this argument every time.

[I'm not getting my hopes up too high for the current prospects the Darcy apologists are buzzing about.

thats what makes giving him the task of rebuilding maddening. the draft is a crapshoot, you are betting your future on the development of a few 18 year old kids. who has darcy drafted that has been an exceptional talent? vanek and miller? is there anybody else? vanek is a legitimate 40 goal guy if you get him a #1 center, and miller is a vezina winner and an olympic mvp. the guy has had 16 drafts, crapshoot or not, you HAVE to hit on more than that. so either he isnt identifying top shelf talent or we arent developing it (incidentally thats his responsibility too, if youre counting).