IanEsplen
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Location: Calgary, AB Joined: 11.22.2011
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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No interest in Too too. None. Even for league minimum. Canucks don't need another guy for the league to target.
Canucks should just trade them Edler for a package that includes Nygust(sp) |
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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I think one of the elements that hold these deals up is that many teams want a shorter term so that said player is still an RFA at the end of the deal, rather than a UFA. I don't think it's as big a deal as you make it out to be, but that's just me. |
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MLeafs81
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sundin, Sakic, Nolan, Kamensky, ect that's a comparable group toHall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak-Jeropotato, ON Joined: 07.16.2012
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This may sound dumb....Is it possible to sign a player to a one year deal then sign them to a contract extension the next day? In leafs case it would definitely help to keep that cap hit down for next year. Sign kadri and franson to one year 3 mill contracts then give them a long term contract with the money and term they want right after. |
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This may sound dumb....Is it possible to sign a player to a one year deal then sign them to a contract extension the next day? In leafs case it would definitely help to keep that cap hit down for next year. Sign kadri and franson to one year 3 mill contracts then give them a long term contract with the money and term they want right after. - MLeafs81
Great point. Not sure but I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Never thought of this. |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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No interest in Too too. None. Even for league minimum. Canucks don't need another guy for the league to target.
Canucks should just trade them Edler for a package that includes Nygust(sp) - Bieksa#3
Agree, on Tutu, no thanks. Detroit made that bed, now they have to sleep in it. If the cap is a problem for Detroit, then offer sheet him for one year and $2.5m. They can always match but then they would be forced to move someone else... |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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This may sound dumb....Is it possible to sign a player to a one year deal then sign them to a contract extension the next day? In leafs case it would definitely help to keep thatey woul cap hit down for next year. Sign kadri and franson to one year 3 mill contracts then give them a long term contract with the money and term they want right after. - MLeafs81
Why would Kadri or Franson even consider this? Since they would be underpaid by at least 50% for one yr, would they leafs overpay them for the remainder of the contract? |
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MLeafs81
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sundin, Sakic, Nolan, Kamensky, ect that's a comparable group toHall, Ebs, Nuge and Yak-Jeropotato, ON Joined: 07.16.2012
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Why would Kadri or Franson even consider this? Since they would be underpaid by at least 50% for what yr, would they leafs overpay them for the remainder of the contract? - Bieksa#3
Well I wouldn't say 50% lol but giving them a one year bridge and also giving them exactly want they'd want for a long term extension because of that would be way more of a risk for the leafs then the players I think. |
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Ian Esplen: Tootoo and RFA Sound Off
Tootoo and RFA Sound Off - IanEsplen
what's the salary cap again? I forget...
Also... all the players you listed as "previous examples" are signigicantly better than EVERYBODY on the RFA list with exception of Pietrangelo.
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Agree, on Tutu, no thanks. Detroit made that bed, now they have to sleep in it. If the cap is a problem for Detroit, then offer sheet him for one year and $2.5m. They can always match but then they would be forced to move someone else... - 1970vintage
Edler for Smith, Nyquest(sp) and Abbelgaitor |
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Why would Kadri or Franson even consider this? Since they would be underpaid by at least 50% for one yr, would they leafs overpay them for the remainder of the contract? - Bieksa#3
what?
$3M for Kadri is 50% underpaid? and Franson?
little early to have smoked that much crack, don't ya think? |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Well I wouldn't say 50% lol but giving them a one year bridge and also giving them exactly want they'd want for a long term extension because of that would be way more of a risk for the leafs then the players I think. - MLeafs81
Given the current market, Franson is worth 4.5(see Voynov and Josi) and Kadri is worth over 5. |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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Edler for Smith, Nyquest(sp) and Abbelgaitor - Bieksa#3
Sounds like a movie monster. |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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what?
$3M for Kadri is 50% underpaid? and Franson?
little early to have smoked that much crack, don't ya think? - Big_Lightnin
I see you haven't seen the contracts signed this summer. Either that or your not very bright. |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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Sounds like a movie monster. - 1970vintage
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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what?
$3M for Kadri is 50% underpaid? and Franson?
little early to have smoked that much crack, don't ya think? - Big_Lightnin
There is a 3 hour time difference, it's pretty much lunch time out east. |
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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I think one of the elements that hold these deals up is that many teams want a shorter term so that said player is still an RFA at the end of the deal, rather than a UFA. I don't think it's as big a deal as you make it out to be, but that's just me. - 1970vintage
this.
They are RFA's. and nobody is offersheeting anyone on that list, cause the team would match anything reasonable, or happily take the picks for unreasonable.
in a reduced cap world, teams can't overpay RFA's just to keep them happy when they have to overpay UFA's to get them to sign at all.
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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I see you haven't seen the contracts signed this summer. Either that or your not very bright. - Bieksa#3
you think Kadri is worth $6M a year, and I'm not very bright?
seriously, open a window or something. |
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1970vintage
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: BC Joined: 11.11.2010
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This may sound dumb....Is it possible to sign a player to a one year deal then sign them to a contract extension the next day? In leafs case it would definitely help to keep that cap hit down for next year. Sign kadri and franson to one year 3 mill contracts then give them a long term contract with the money and term they want right after. - MLeafs81
I believe that you can only negotiate a new contract when you are in the last year of the existing contract, so I think that technically this would be allowed. However, if you were to sign a player to a one year deal and immediately sign them to an 8 year extension the league may have an issue with that as circumventing the new 8 year contract max...? |
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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 07.21.2009
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you think Kadri is worth $6M a year, and I'm not very bright?
seriously, open a window or something. - Big_Lightnin
5 and 6 are different numbers, so yes this pretty much proves the not very bright comment |
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you think Kadri is worth $6M a year, and I'm not very bright?
seriously, open a window or something. - Big_Lightnin
This is simple math my friend. 50% overpaid is 4.5m not 6m. That is 100% overpaid. |
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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Pain is coming Joined: 08.12.2010
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Given the current market, Franson is worth 4.5(see Voynov and Josi) and Kadri is worth over 5. - Bieksa#3
guess Leaf fans aren't the only ones who overvalue Leaf players.
Who here would trade Voynov for Franson straight up if you're LA?
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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Cumberland, BC Joined: 03.18.2010
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Sounds like a movie monster. - 1970vintage
...in a tornado! |
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