Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Streit, Shinkaruk vs. Domi

Agree totally with your take on Streit Bill. Flyers need to make a move. But they need to make the right move. And a 3 year deal for a 36 year old player, isn't the right move.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Streit, Shinkaruk vs. Domi
- bmeltzer

I like Max Domi, but if both are there at 11, I'd go with Shinkaruk, just slightly. Domi's a very skilled kid, though and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. If he ended up a Flyer, I'd have no problems with it at all.

Agreed on Streit, although I'd be willing to go to two years.

could domi end up like marchand?

could domi end up like marchand?
- isaiah520

Possible. He can be an irritating gnat.

Id like the flyers to make a hockey trade involving grossman or coburn for more of a two way guy, instead of adding an old UFA and dumping Mez for practically nothing. Mcbain for grossman I could get on board with of Carolina is looking to move him after his down season

Just pick the best Canadian player available. It won't be Domi.

And Streit would be like an old Matt Carle.

Id like the flyers to make a hockey trade involving grossman or coburn for more of a two way guy, instead of adding an old UFA and dumping Mez for practically nothing. Mcbain for grossman I could get on board with of Carolina is looking to move him after his down season
- Just5

I would not trade Grossmann for McBain. If I'm going to trade any of the current defenseman. It's because of adding an established high minute puck mover.

Just pick the best Canadian player available. It won't be Domi.

And Streit would be like an old Matt Carle.
- Coburns_Nose

If Streit or any defenseman was 32 or so, and was as good as Carle is. I'd want the Flyers to sign him

Id like the flyers to make a hockey trade involving grossman or coburn for more of a two way guy, instead of adding an old UFA and dumping Mez for practically nothing. Mcbain for grossman I could get on board with of Carolina is looking to move him after his down season
- Just5

McBain failed his first test at becoming anything more than a 3rd pairing guy this past season. When injuries ravaged the Carolina blueline, McBain was given more icetime and responsibility. And he flopped.

It was one shortened season, so it shouldn't make or break his career. But I wouldn't give up a more reliable NHL defenseman to acquire him.

Right now, I don't see how he fits with Gustafsson slated to be the 3rd pairing puckmover.

NO on Streit, while I watched the Isle's alot recently in the playoffs, the Flyers need to get out of the mold of over paying for a "name" who is on the backside of a solid career. While the defense is a glaring issue on the flyers, its not so much the 6 guys who have "D" next to their name, the flyers team defense was atrocious, and the injuries and shortened season didn't allow for the practice time young players need to work on such adjustments.

Streit is 35, is just coming off missing an entire year for injury, we don't need another injury prone D-man, we have plenty. I think while there are not alot of options for a Dman out there to sign, the flyers have some flexibility in the prospects department, they have stock piled assets in the form of young forwards, it may be time to liquidate a few of them to get yourself one or two dmen.

Its a shame that Mezz cant stay healthy, i for one am a huge fan of his play when he is healthy, hopefully he can have a bounce back year

As far as drafting a forward in the first round, the more i read and research on Frederick Gauthier the more I think he will develop into a solid 2nd line 2-way center to put on the ice after the G line

Streit is smoking crack if he wants 5.5 per for 3 seasons. I dont care what the market looks like, there is NO WAY the Flyers should give him that salary or term.

McBain failed his first test at becoming anything more than a 3rd pairing guy this past season. When injuries ravaged the Carolina blueline, McBain was given more icetime and responsibility. And he flopped.

It was one shortened season, so it shouldn't make or break his career. But I wouldn't give up a more reliable NHL defenseman to acquire him.

Right now, I don't see how he fits with Gustafsson slated to be the 3rd pairing puckmover.
- bradleyc4

Yeah just an example. I don't want the flyers to come back with the mix of schenn, coburn, grossman. Coburn and grossman would look good to a team looking to add size and snarl on the back end

I nearly wet myself reading those assessments about Hunter Shinkaruk. It's been so long since the Flyers had a "on the stick and it's in the the net" kind of player -- maybe Gagne's 47-goal season, or Jeff Carter's 45 -- I can't help but dream about it sometimes.

In my view, those guys are just as hard to find as elite defensemen. Guys like Stamkos, Brett Hull...man. I used to laugh at how people would call Brett Hull one-dimensional. When you're the best person in the world at something that you need to win games -- and until they stop keeping score, you need goals to win -- then to my mind, having a pure scorer with some defensive issues on a line isn't automatically worse than having three checkers on a line who never score.

The only question I have about that is if the pure scorer is willing to engage physically and backcheck with some urgency. I don't need all 12 forwards to be Selke Trophy candidates, personally.

McBain failed his first test at becoming anything more than a 3rd pairing guy this past season. When injuries ravaged the Carolina blueline, McBain was given more icetime and responsibility. And he flopped.

It was one shortened season, so it shouldn't make or break his career. But I wouldn't give up a more reliable NHL defenseman to acquire him.

Right now, I don't see how he fits with Gustafsson slated to be the 3rd pairing puckmover.
- bradleyc4

I agree. Gustafsson is what McBain is in terms of potential, if not more. Don't see what adding a player like McBain does for the Flyers.

somehow i get the feeling they draft domi...hes the typical flyers draft pick

NO on Streit, while I watched the Isle's alot recently in the playoffs, the Flyers need to get out of the mold of over paying for a "name" who is on the backside of a solid career. While the defense is a glaring issue on the flyers, its not so much the 6 guys who have "D" next to their name, the flyers team defense was atrocious, and the injuries and shortened season didn't allow for the practice time young players need to work on such adjustments.

Streit is 35, is just coming off missing an entire year for injury, we don't need another injury prone D-man, we have plenty. I think while there are not alot of options for a Dman out there to sign, the flyers have some flexibility in the prospects department, they have stock piled assets in the form of young forwards, it may be time to liquidate a few of them to get yourself one or two dmen.

Its a shame that Mezz cant stay healthy, i for one am a huge fan of his play when he is healthy, hopefully he can have a bounce back year

As far as drafting a forward in the first round, the more i read and research on Frederick Gauthier the more I think he will develop into a solid 2nd line 2-way center to put on the ice after the G line
- PhillyTruth

Agree on your take on Streit. And Meszaros if healthy, and can get his game back. Would be a boost to the Flyers. He's shown he has the ability to provide offense and move up on the play. As well as providing solid defense and physical 2 way play.

I like Max Domi, but if both are there at 11, I'd go with Shinkaruk, just slightly. Domi's a very skilled kid, though and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. If he ended up a Flyer, I'd have no problems with it at all.

Agreed on Streit, although I'd be willing to go to two years.
- Jsaquella

Personally, I would take Horvat over either of them, but all 3 are going to be very good players. I would be willing to offer Streit 2 years, but if the cap hit is any higher than 4.5 mil max, I'm not interested.

Yeah just an example. I don't want the flyers to come back with the mix of schenn, coburn, grossman. Coburn and grossman would look good to a team looking to add size and snarl on the back end
- Just5

I agree that I would like the mix tweaked more towards the mobile puck moving side. But I'm not trading an established NHL defenseman who can play a solid defensive role, play physical, block shots. And can play some of the tough minutes. For a question mark like McBain. That's just a bad deal. You give up a prospect, or a draft pick, other then a first, for a player like McBain.

I nearly wet myself reading those assessments about Hunter Shinkaruk. It's been so long since the Flyers had a "on the stick and it's in the the net" kind of player -- maybe Gagne's 47-goal season, or Jeff Carter's 45 -- I can't help but dream about it sometimes.

In my view, those guys are just as hard to find as elite defensemen. Guys like Stamkos, Brett Hull...man. I used to laugh at how people would call Brett Hull one-dimensional. When you're the best person in the world at something that you need to win games -- and until they stop keeping score, you need goals to win -- then to my mind, having a pure scorer with some defensive issues on a line isn't automatically worse than having three checkers on a line who never score.

The only question I have about that is if the pure scorer is willing to engage physically and backcheck with some urgency. I don't need all 12 forwards to be Selke Trophy candidates, personally.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree with you. As long as the player is responsible defensively, and makes a commitment and effort to play both ways. You can live with some defensive shortcomings. If he is a top scorer. I think the Flyers have some definite needs. Defense by far being the biggest one. But they also need to add both size, and speed and skill to the Wing.

Personally, I would take Horvat over either of them, but all 3 are going to be very good players. I would be willing to offer Streit 2 years, but if the cap hit is any higher than 4.5 mil max, I'm not interested.
- BiggE

Sorry for the BOLD my bad... not enough coffee yet this morning!!

could domi end up like marchand?
- isaiah520

I think Domi has better ability and lesser agitating ability ( but still plenty of it).

Personally, I would take Horvat over either of them, but all 3 are going to be very good players. I would be willing to offer Streit 2 years, but if the cap hit is any higher than 4.5 mil max, I'm not interested.
- BiggE

OKAY

Off topic, but what do you guys think about Keith's high stick on Carter? To me, even though he regretted it, he intentionally swung his stick at Carter's head. It wasn't exactly McSorely-esque, but it was pretty bad. If he wasn't Duncan Keith (even though he's a "repeat offender") he'd be looking at about 5 games.

As with Bobby Clarke before him, Domi has overcome diabetes to play hockey. It is not a coincidence that he wears uniform number 16.

Pretty sure I remember hearing that Tie Domi has said that Clarke was his favorite player as well. I also remember hearing or reading an anecdote that when Tie Domi was a kid, he tried to intentionally injure himself on his bike so he could get the same toothless smile that Bobby Clarke had. I don't know if I misheard that story or not, but remembered it that way.