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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 8:57 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Monday Worlds Update; Leier, Stolarz and Straka Playoffs
Tartan69
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Section 112, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
Curious what Jake did to be selected Best Player of Game on the Czech side? With only 1 shot I would assume he played a stellar two-way game?

Thanks as always to Bill for these updates.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 9:09 AM ET
Curious what Jake did to be selected Best Player of Game on the Czech side? With only 1 shot I would assume he played a stellar two-way game?

Thanks as always to Bill for these updates.

- Tartan69


His mom picked the stars of the game...or maybe it was Lisa Hillary. After all she once picked Jay Rosehill as a star of the game when all he did was fight a guy
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 13 @ 9:12 AM ET
Glad to see Noebels getting ice time.

Can't imagine who Germany has out there that they can afford to sit a young skill guy like Noebels.

Also, I'm torn on these Game 7's tonight. I want to root for the teams with the best chance of taking out the Penguins should the Senators prove not good enough.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 13 @ 9:12 AM ET
His mom picked the stars of the game...or maybe it was Lisa Hillary. After all she once picked Jay Rosehill as a star of the game when all he did was fight a guy
- Jsaquella


Yeah, but Bryz likes Hillary's fashion sense, so it's all good.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 9:14 AM ET
Curious what Jake did to be selected Best Player of Game on the Czech side? With only 1 shot I would assume he played a stellar two-way game?

Thanks as always to Bill for these updates.

- Tartan69


He had several shifts were the Canadians couldn't get the puck away from him and set up a pair of good scoring chances. To be honest, though, he was also invisible for stretches in the portions of the game I saw.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 9:18 AM ET
Glad to see Noebels getting ice time.

Can't imagine who Germany has out there that they can afford to sit a young skill guy like Noebels.

Also, I'm torn on these Game 7's tonight. I want to root for the teams with the best chance of taking out the Penguins should the Senators prove not good enough.

- johndewar


It is common for young players -- all but the big stars -- to have to work their way up to gain ice time for the national team just as they would for their clubs in pro leagues. Cortina would rather go with more experienced players for the most part.

At least when Noebels and his linemates got some shifts yesterday, they stood out in a positive way -- and so they got rewarded with a lot more ice time than the fourth line had been getting in the previous games.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 13 @ 9:18 AM ET
I'm hoping that Stolarz' benching doesn't hurt his confidence. Kid is looking like a possible stud.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'm hoping that Stolarz' benching doesn't hurt his confidence. Kid is looking like a possible stud.
- jmatchett383


If he can't rebound from a minor setback, then he was never going to be a stud.

Pelle Lindbergh was sent back to the AHL the season before he won the Vezina
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'm hoping that Stolarz' benching doesn't hurt his confidence. Kid is looking like a possible stud.
- jmatchett383


Maybe, but it's probably going to be a long process to get him there. He's come a long way in the last year but still has a long way to go to turn that size and athleticism into NHL-caliber goaltending.

He'll play next year back in the OHL, then probably need at least two AHL seasons, then you have to get him through the NHL learning curve. I figure if he's going to someday emerge as the Flyers' starter, that day won't come for another five or six seasons from now.

That said, he has the tools, work ethic and smarts to make it happen.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 13 @ 9:36 AM ET
If he can't rebound from a minor setback, then he was never going to be a stud.

Pelle Lindbergh was sent back to the AHL the season before he won the Vezina

- Jsaquella


Furthermore, that demotion Pelle was given was done even after having played in the NHL All Star game (and getting shelled) in 1983 as I recall. (I would defer to Bill on the specifics...)
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 9:39 AM ET
Furthermore, that demotion Pelle was given even after being in the NHL All Star (and getting shelled) as I recall. (I would defer to Bill on the specifics...)
- johndewar


Yep, played in ASG as a rookie in 1983. Had a brutal second year(.860 save % and GAA of 4.05)
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 13 @ 9:47 AM ET

That said, he has the tools, work ethic and smarts to make it happen.

- bmeltzer


MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

May 13 @ 10:17 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
It will be interesting when Letang and Malkin both need new deals a year from now and he can't give them a cap circumventing contract like the one Crosby has.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

May 13 @ 10:29 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?

- MrBigglesworth


Shero was handed a team that already had crosby malkin and fluery. Just about any gm could winn with that stacked deck.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 13 @ 10:35 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?

- MrBigglesworth


Agreed that Ray Shero is better than Homer at winning draft lotteries.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 10:35 AM ET
Shero was handed a team that already had crosby malkin and fluery. Just about any gm could winn with that stacked deck.
- twotoekenn


And to be blunt, Shero hasn't won. Since 2009, the Penguins have won two playoff series.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

May 13 @ 10:44 AM ET
Agreed that Ray Shero is better than Homer at winning draft lotteries.
- johndewar


Patrick was gm when they "won" the 05 draft lottery.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 13 @ 10:45 AM ET
Patrick was gm when they "won" the 0506 draft lottery.
- twotoekenn


So, Shero is not even better than Homer at fake ping pong ball counting.

Quick question: If Pittsburgh doesn't win the Cup this year, do either of Morrow or Iginla re-sign to play there?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 13 @ 10:45 AM ET
And to be blunt, Shero hasn't won. Since 2009, the Penguins have won two playoff series.
- Jsaquella

He's the Ruin Tomorrow Jr of hockey.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

May 13 @ 10:50 AM ET
So, Shero is not even better than Homer at fake ping pong ball counting.

Quick question: If Pittsburgh doesn't win the Cup this year, do either of Morrow or Iginla re-sign to play there?

- johndewar


I doubt it, they need to resign malkin and letang soon.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 10:51 AM ET
And to be blunt, Shero hasn't won. Since 2009, the Penguins have won two playoff series.
- Jsaquella


wow
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 13 @ 10:53 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?

- MrBigglesworth


Shero is by far an inferior GM. To name a few:

Gifted Crosby and Malkin.

Took Jordan Staal over Jonathan Toews in the draft. (I understand the rationale for doing it, just wholeheartedly disagree with it)

Grossly overpaid for stiffs Douglas Murray and Brendan Morrow this past deadline. Overpaid for Iginla, too (relative to what the Bruins gave up for Jagr).

Overvalued and overpaid MAF.

To be fair, had some good moves though, too: the Pascal Dupuis/Hossa trade. Signing Vokoun. Building a strong defense. James Neal trade.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 10:54 AM ET
He's the Ruin Tomorrow Jr of hockey.
- BulliesPhan87


He's not that bad, but he's failed to have a good playoff run, despite having two of the 5 best players in the world on his roster. He's made some fantastic trades on paper, that haven't been enough to push them over the top.

He's made a lot of big, bold moves that haven't gotten his team to the mountaintop.


His draft record isn't that great, with Jordan Staal being the lone player drafted under Shero to play more than 100 NHL games. In fact, in the last 5 years, the Penguins have drafted 3 players that have even seen a NHL shift-and one of those was Alexander Pechurski, who played 36 minutes in goal for the Pens in 2009-10

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