HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Biggest Trade Winner?

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Biggest Trade Winner?
- Travis.Yost

Ottawa and Tampa. Tampa get's a quality goalie in Bishop and the Sens get Conacher and a pick. Good deal for both teams.

Agree with Wilson, I'd say he's right on par with Shero in Pitt.

Picks up a shutdown D, overpaying somewhat for his services, but then turns around and pick up two playoff experienced character top 6 forwards including a future hall of famer with gas in the tank still for essentially the 29th overall pick, one of their 5 good D prospects, and 4 complete nobodies.

Joey Nieuwendyk is worth mention too, as he decided to go youth movement and did a hell of a job of it, turning two temporary assets in Jagr and Roy into 5 assets for the future, while holding onto all his core players under 30 and swapping a C prospect for a D prospect, an area where they are weak (or were, before this week).

GM's who did theiur job well but nothing spectacular would include Murray, Chiarelli, Yzerman (given he addresses the D in the offseason), Poile selling for a good prospect, Jarmo in Columbus getting a primetime scorer to fit with all their young pieces for essentially trash, Armstrong in St Louis for shoring up an already talented back end (though he could have used a G), Chuck Fletcher, who overpaid but did what he had to to add to his $ bloated wild roster, and Lombardi for Regehr.

Failing grades go to Sather, for selling Gabby low and overpaying on what he did get, Gillis, for picking up another offensive but soft forward who dives on a team loaded with them, Tambo for doing nothing when his kids are knocking on the playoff door, Rutherford for not shoring up an injured D corps in a wide open SE division, Marc Bergevin for not adding to the roster at least a bit as their biggest rivals in the east loaded up, and the caps for moving a great young prospect for a decent top 6 option.

Everyone else isn't really worth mentioning.

I don't know that a playoff team moving depth is really a win is it?

Hands down moving Mason for anything is a win in my book.

But like every year, time will tell. Shero made a lot of solid moves, does it equal a cup? If not are those moves really that good? They already were damn near a shoe in for the Stanley Cup final before the moves.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Biggest Trade Winner?
- Travis.Yost

Pitt, San Jose, Buffalo and Nashville all had a good week IMO.

Agree with Wilson, I'd say he's right on par with Shero in Pitt.

Picks up a shutdown D, overpaying somewhat for his services, but then turns around and pick up two playoff experienced character top 6 forwards including a future hall of famer with gas in the tank still for essentially the 29th overall pick, one of their 5 good D prospects, and 4 complete nobodies.

Joey Nieuwendyk is worth mention too, as he decided to go youth movement and did a hell of a job of it, turning two temporary assets in Jagr and Roy into 5 assets for the future, while holding onto all his core players under 30 and swapping a C prospect for a D prospect, an area where they are weak (or were, before this week).

GM's who did theiur job well but nothing spectacular would include Murray, Chiarelli, Yzerman (given he addresses the D in the offseason), Poile selling for a good prospect, Jarmo in Columbus getting a primetime scorer to fit with all their young pieces for essentially trash, Armstrong in St Louis for shoring up an already talented back end (though he could have used a G), Chuck Fletcher, who overpaid but did what he had to to add to his $ bloated wild roster, and Lombardi for Regehr.

Failing grades go to Sather, for selling Gabby low and overpaying on what he did get, Gillis, for picking up another offensive but soft forward who dives on a team loaded with them, Tambo for doing nothing when his kids are knocking on the playoff door, Rutherford for not shoring up an injured D corps in a wide open SE division, Marc Bergevin for not adding to the roster at least a bit as their biggest rivals in the east loaded up, and the caps for moving a great young prospect for a decent top 6 option.

Everyone else isn't really worth mentioning.
- TommyDeVito

Davis Drewiske!!!1!

Kidding aside, the Habs did what they had to. They didn't have enough valuable assets to trade. Plus stuff about "the future".

If building a competitive AHL team is how success at the NHL level is graded then Wilson wins hands down. Unfortunately its not. 82% of second round picks amount to nothing so unless he can use those picks to acquire an additional 1st or players that improve the roster next year then its pretty meaningless. So the jury is still out. I do like the additions of Hannan and Torres.

In my view the Rangers were the biggest winners. They moved a player who was ineffective for upgrades at a number of positions. They also added Clowe. I think the Rangers became a significantly harder team to play against.

Agree with Wilson, I'd say he's right on par with Shero in Pitt.

Picks up a shutdown D, overpaying somewhat for his services, but then turns around and pick up two playoff experienced character top 6 forwards including a future hall of famer with gas in the tank still for essentially the 29th overall pick, one of their 5 good D prospects, and 4 complete nobodies.

Joey Nieuwendyk is worth mention too, as he decided to go youth movement and did a hell of a job of it, turning two temporary assets in Jagr and Roy into 5 assets for the future, while holding onto all his core players under 30 and swapping a C prospect for a D prospect, an area where they are weak (or were, before this week).

GM's who did theiur job well but nothing spectacular would include Murray, Chiarelli, Yzerman (given he addresses the D in the offseason), Poile selling for a good prospect, Jarmo in Columbus getting a primetime scorer to fit with all their young pieces for essentially trash, Armstrong in St Louis for shoring up an already talented back end (though he could have used a G), Chuck Fletcher, who overpaid but did what he had to to add to his $ bloated wild roster, and Lombardi for Regehr.

Failing grades go to Sather, for selling Gabby low and overpaying on what he did get, Gillis, for picking up another offensive but soft forward who dives on a team loaded with them, Tambo for doing nothing when his kids are knocking on the playoff door, Rutherford for not shoring up an injured D corps in a wide open SE division, Marc Bergevin for not adding to the roster at least a bit as their biggest rivals in the east loaded up, and the caps for moving a great young prospect for a decent top 6 option.

Everyone else isn't really worth mentioning.
- TommyDeVito

Given Gaborik wasn't productive with the Rangers and not knowing what other offers were out there its a huge assumption Slats didnt get enough for him. The return increases the Rangers competency at a number of positions which is often much more important than a single offensive player. The sum of the additions to the Rangers roster with this trade is much greater than the loss of Gaborik.

A failing grade to Tambo? Because he didn't do anything?

That's a pretty incredible statement unless you have knowledge of opportunities he passed on to improve the Oilers. Just exactly which players were available that would have made sense for the Oilers to acquire? Now, please tell me what the Oilers would have to give up to acquire those players? The issue is you don't know so its not reasonable to assess a failing grade without any knowledge of what the opportunities and costs were.

Sometimes it makes much more sense to do nothing than to make a trade simply for the sake of making a trade. In the case of the Oilers specifically they were very public at the start of the year tasting it was an evaluation year. Many of the youngsters have shown improvement. As they improve a trade involving them will yield a much better return and the team will have a better idea of the specific skill sets they need to add.

I also disagree about your assessment of Murray. Its to early to assess the Bishop trade. Conacher has a 36 game sample size during which his production has tailed off significantly.

Now using the same type of assumptions you used in assessing Tambo's performance why didnt Murray do more? The Senators certainly aren't guaranteed a playoff spot and he should have done more. He also could've gotten a better return for Bishop. Why didnt he put together a package of Bishop, one of the Sens high end defensive prospects and a draft pick to get an elite scoring threat.

If building a competitive AHL team is how success at the NHL level is graded then Wilson wins hands down. Unfortunately its not. 82% of second round picks amount to nothing so unless he can use those picks to acquire an additional 1st or players that improve the roster next year then its pretty meaningless. So the jury is still out. I do like the additions of Hannan and Torres.

In my view the Rangers were the biggest winners. They moved a player who was ineffective for upgrades at a number of positions. They also added Clowe. I think the Rangers became a significantly harder team to play against.
- Sabata

You lost me. Scoring 114 goals in 255 games is ineffective? He had two 40+ goal season in New York, and you're telling me he was ineffective? He's just having a down year.

Hate to say this but Mtl trading an out-of-shape, uninspired Cole for a red-hot, then DAL point leader Michael Ryder AND a 3rd round pick (if I remember well) is clearly a robbery.

Close second: Erat for Filip Forsberg. WAS will regret this for years.

Hate to say this but Mtl trading an out-of-shape, uninspired Cole for a red-hot, then DAL point leader Michael Ryder AND a 3rd round pick (if I remember well) is clearly a robbery.
- Alpamayo91

You remember correctly. And no less an authority than Scotty Bowman calls this the biggest steal of the season.

Close second: Erat for Filip Forsberg. WAS will regret this for years.

What the hell were the Caps thinking?

You remember correctly. And no less an authority than Scotty Bowman calls this the biggest steal of the season.


What the hell were the Caps thinking?
- Ovation

GM on short leash making a move for now is what I'm thinking.

You remember correctly. And no less an authority than Scotty Bowman calls this the biggest steal of the season.


What the hell were the Caps thinking?
- Ovation

Yea i think Dallas just likes getting raped in trades