Richard Cloutier: They Call Me the Seeker

This meeting will be a total waste of time.

NHL should televise these meetings.


Big ratings.

NHL should televise these meetings.


Big ratings.
- robin_steele264

Dr. Phil could host!

NHL should televise these meetings.


Big ratings.
- robin_steele264

I want to see Horcoff blame himself for this whole mess and cry uncontrollably.

Where did Cloutier go???? This was actually a great blog. Actually insightful. And didn't even rant and rave and go all crazy and opinionated. Very well done sir.

P.s. I may be sick. I just complemented Richard Cloutier....

With six National Hockey League owners and a group of players set to meet later today in an effort to resolve the lockout, some members of the Vancouver Canucks voiced their frustrations on Monday.

Captain Henrik Sedin was one of the players that spoke to the Vancouver Province.

"I think from Day 1, this has fallen into what we really thought was going to happen," Sedin told the paper. "I don't know if they [owners] think they're dealing with kids or that we're stupid or think the fans are stupid. It's a little mind-boggling when you see what's coming out of their side. I want to hear a change, that they're actually going to give us something in return for the things we've given them.

"I doubt that may happen tomorrow [Tuesday] but it's a start. It's good to see that there are new owners coming into the meeting, but the bad thing is there are still some of the tight group that has been there since Day 1. That's a concern."

Defenceman Kevin Bieksa stated that the players don't want to give up on the season, but the players wonder what the owner's agenda really is.

"That's the one thing we've kind of been puzzled by in this whole negotiation," he said. "When do they want to settle and what do they want to settle for? Is it just a money issue or the contracting rights and what are the reasons for them? Owners doing it face-to-face [Tuesday] with players on their team and to look those guys in the eye, it should be good."

All games through Dec. 14 have already been wiped off the schedule, along with the outdoor Winter Classic on New Year's Day and All-Star Weekend that was slated for January in Columbus.

The lockout entered its 80th day on Tuesday, and at best, there will only be a shortened season if there is any hockey at all.

The union has allowed any players who wanted to attend previous bargaining sessions to come, but the NHL has limited the owners who could take part.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410919
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This coming from a guy who makes 6.1 million a year

The players "took a beating" last time too, according to the players. How'd that turn out for them?

- AdamFrench

Richard, I believe you are wrong on the assumption that the players only get 57% of revenues if every team spends to the cap.

All contracts are to be paid in full minus a % paid to escrow based on revenue projections. If the value of all contracts is less than 57% of revenues, the players are compensated after all the final accounting is done and receive the difference. If the value of contracts is more than 57% of revenues, money paid into escrow is held back and redistributed to owners.

Richard, I believe you are wrong on the assumption that the players only get 57% of revenues if every team spends to the cap.

All contracts are to be paid in full minus a % paid to escrow based on revenue projections. If the value of all contracts is less than 57% of revenues, the players are compensated after all the final accounting is done and receive the difference. If the value of contracts is more than 57% of revenues, money paid into escrow is held back and redistributed to owners.
- wolfie

Sounds good. Not sure that's the way it works, as I've heard/read players indicate that cap expenditures don't equal 57%, but there you go.

Can someone just explain to me when I constantly hear the players talk about how they "took it on the chin" or "gave up so much" last time,

why were they willing to continue playing under the CBA they soooo hated from 8 years ago ?

I wish my employer let me take it on the the chin and gave me a guaranteed salary no matter how badly I performed.

Can someone just explain to me when I constantly hear the players talk about how they "took it on the chin" or "gave up so much" last time,

why were they willing to continue playing under the CBA they soooo hated from 8 years ago ?

I wish my employer let me take it on the the chin and gave me a guaranteed salary no matter how badly I performed.
- sliprock65

It's like H. Sedin said, it's time for a change... The players have to get something in return. Do the owners actually think he can feed his family on 6.1 million a year? It's time the owners give back.

It's like H. Sedin said, it's time for a change... The players have to get something in return. Do the owners actually think he can feed his family on 6.1 million a year? It's time the owners give back.
- laughs2907

Uh-Oh. They woke the sleeping dog that is Laughs...now he will (frank) their poop up.

Uh-Oh. They woke the sleeping dog that is Laughs...now he will (frank) their poop up.
- OilHorse

Naw, that's all I got in me today. I'd like to throw a bag full of piss at H. Sedin's face though.

For those curious here are the players meeting with the owners today and their salary/cap hit. Personnelly it looks like a too many guys who make lots of money.

2012-2013 Salary/Cap Hit

Craig Adams (Penguins) - 625k / 625k
David Backes (Blues) - 3.75m / 4.5m
Michael Cammalleri (Flames) - 7m / 6m
Sidney Crosby (Penguins) - 7.5m / 8.7m
B.J. Crombeen (Lightning) - 1.05m / 1m
Mathieu Darche - Unsigned
Shane Doan (Coyotes) - 6.05m / 5.3m
Ron Hainsey (Jets) - 3m / 4.5m
Shawn Horcoff (Oilers) - 6m / 5.5m
Jamal Mayers (Blackhawks) - 600k / 650k
Manny Malhotra (Canucks) - 2.5m / 2.5m
Andy McDonald (Blues) - 5.2m / 4.7m
Ryan Miller (Sabres) - 6.25m / 6.25m
George Parros (Panthers) - 925k / 937.5k
Brad Richards (Rangers) - 12mil / 6.667mil
Martin St. Louis (Lightning) - 5.5mil / 5.625mil
Jonathan Toews (Blackhawks) - 6mil / 6.3mil
Kevin Westgarth (Kings) - 700k / 725k

* Numbers According to Capgeek

For those curious here are the players meeting with the owners today and their salary/cap hit. Personnelly it looks like a too many guys who make lots of money.

2012-2013 Salary/Cap Hit

Craig Adams (Penguins) - 625k / 625k
David Backes (Blues) - 3.75m / 4.5m
Michael Cammalleri (Flames) - 7m / 6m
Sidney Crosby (Penguins) - 7.5m / 8.7m
B.J. Crombeen (Lightning) - 1.05m / 1m
Mathieu Darche - Unsigned
Shane Doan (Coyotes) - 6.05m / 5.3m
Ron Hainsey (Jets) - 3m / 4.5m
Shawn Horcoff (Oilers) - 6m / 5.5m
Jamal Mayers (Blackhawks) - 600k / 650k
Manny Malhotra (Canucks) - 2.5m / 2.5m
Andy McDonald (Blues) - 5.2m / 4.7m
Ryan Miller (Sabres) - 6.25m / 6.25m
George Parros (Panthers) - 925k / 937.5k
Brad Richards (Rangers) - 12mil / 6.667mil
Martin St. Louis (Lightning) - 5.5mil / 5.625mil
Jonathan Toews (Blackhawks) - 6mil / 6.3mil
Kevin Westgarth (Kings) - 700k / 725k

* Numbers According to Capgeek
- rathagor

LOL Jonathan Toews's actual salary for 2012/2013 is the same as Shawn Horcoff's.

LOL Jonathan Toews's actual salary for 2012/2013 is the same as Shawn Horcoff's.
- Maxbone

Oooohhhh....so that's why Horc's is always playing 1st unit PP time.

It's like H. Sedin said, it's time for a change... The players have to get something in return. Do the owners actually think he can feed his family on 6.1 million a year? It's time the owners give back.
- laughs2907

Problem is he doesn't know which kids are his. He has to feed his and Daniels. Plus Daniel's wife as she doesn't know which brother she married.

- AdamFrench

That show was awful. Only way to do that series right is to make it similar to Game of Thrones

For those curious here are the players meeting with the owners today and their salary/cap hit. Personnelly it looks like a too many guys who make lots of money.

2012-2013 Salary/Cap Hit

Craig Adams (Penguins) - 625k / 625k
David Backes (Blues) - 3.75m / 4.5m
Michael Cammalleri (Flames) - 7m / 6m
Sidney Crosby (Penguins) - 7.5m / 8.7m
B.J. Crombeen (Lightning) - 1.05m / 1m
Mathieu Darche - Unsigned
Shane Doan (Coyotes) - 6.05m / 5.3m
Ron Hainsey (Jets) - 3m / 4.5m
Shawn Horcoff (Oilers) - 6m / 5.5m
Jamal Mayers (Blackhawks) - 600k / 650k
Manny Malhotra (Canucks) - 2.5m / 2.5m
Andy McDonald (Blues) - 5.2m / 4.7m
Ryan Miller (Sabres) - 6.25m / 6.25m
George Parros (Panthers) - 925k / 937.5k
Brad Richards (Rangers) - 12mil / 6.667mil
Martin St. Louis (Lightning) - 5.5mil / 5.625mil
Jonathan Toews (Blackhawks) - 6mil / 6.3mil
Kevin Westgarth (Kings) - 700k / 725k

* Numbers According to Capgeek
- rathagor

They all make too much money. Sports and Entertainment industry all make too much money, but like everyone else they will fight for as much as they can.

Oooohhhh....so that's why Horc's is always playing 1st unit PP time.


- eekloond

Not going to lie, PP was great and Horc was on it. Why change it?

I will say this, rather have him battling in front of the net like he did last year than Taylor Hall or Ales Hemsky.

Problem is he doesn't know which kids are his. He has to feed his and Daniels. Plus Daniel's wife as she doesn't know which brother she married.
- Lahey

Daniel is probably feeding them as well, so their kids and wives are probably eating twice as much as they should. I bet they pretend to be each other when they're having sex sometimes.

Daniel is probably feeding them as well, so their kids and wives are probably eating twice as much as they should. I bet they pretend to be each other when they're having sex sometimes.
- laughs2907

I think that goes without saying, probably get the women on top as they eat like fukin pigs.

As for the kids I hope they don't follow the route of kissing cousins.