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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 30 @ 9:38 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Mediation Farce, Bryzgalov, Friday Hockey Fix
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Nov 30 @ 9:41 AM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....
Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Coburn's face
Joined: 11.16.2012

Nov 30 @ 9:43 AM ET
Thanks Bill!

We love you
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 30 @ 9:44 AM ET
"That sounds about as even and realistic as Donald Fehr proposing that the lockout be settled with a winner-takes-all players vs. owner's hockey game."

But I'd pay to see this. Even with your proxies.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 30 @ 9:55 AM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10


Wow.... tough choice. Both were crucial, incredible shifts. I'll add into the equation Eric Lindros dragging along a desperate Mark Messier (who was basically draped over his back) to go in and a score a game-sealing ENG in the 1997 Eastern Conference Final.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Nov 30 @ 9:59 AM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10



If I may....

Shutting down Cindy was huge on his first shift and scoring that nasty goal ---- G for sure
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 10:00 AM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10


You pick one
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Nov 30 @ 10:11 AM ET
When will they decide to shut down the season? I don't see an agreement coming anytime soon. This is embarrassing to the sport of hockey!
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Nov 30 @ 10:13 AM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10


I was at the game vs Montreal and Ritchie was on a mission that shift. Tough choice because I like G better, but I have to go with Richards.
Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Coburn's face
Joined: 11.16.2012

Nov 30 @ 10:17 AM ET


Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10



My vote goes to Richie:

On his shift he set up a scoring chance, came back and made an important defensive play and then scored a big goal. On a bigger stage than the 1st round of the playoffs.

Not to take away from Giroux's big hit and nice goal, but Richie just did more when the stakes were higher.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Nov 30 @ 10:21 AM ET
You pick one
- ob18


It's a tough call. For the most part, most Flyers fans think 2010 was a successful year. So many memories from that playoff run. If you look at it contextually, I'm thinking Richards shift gets beaten here. Yes, this was an elimination game, yes, it was shorthanded and the Flyers were losing--but this was Game 5, and it was against a Montreal Canadiens team that couldn't put up with the Flyers physically. At the time of Richards' goal, many people simply assumed the Flyers would tie the game up and eventually win, and if they didn't--they'll get it done in Game 6.

This past season's version of "The Shift" definitely seems to be better than Richards' because of the context. Smoking the Pens in Game 3, and then pooping a game out in Game 4, the Flyers suddenly found themselves in a series after Fleury closed the door on them in Game 5. Suddenly, Flyers fans, including myself, got a little concerned that we might be seeing some 2010 magic again--just not in our favor. All that was pretty much washed away by Giroux's shift. I mean thirty seconds in, thirty seconds! If the hit was on anyone other than Crosby, I'd say it wouldn't be as big of a deal. But after watching Crosby and Richards butt heads for a few seasons without any fireworks, and then Crosby's antics in Game 3, it was a perfect scenario.

I'm picking Giroux's shift because of the context.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 30 @ 10:33 AM ET
Ah, but power and control are what this been about from day one.
- bmeltzer

Ondrej F
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prague
Joined: 02.17.2010

Nov 30 @ 10:36 AM ET
I'm picking G (and not for I like him more as a Player)
funkyjase
Joined: 10.08.2010

Nov 30 @ 10:42 AM ET
I was just discussing this the other day, and I think it's Richards' shift, hands down. Richards took over the ice for over a minute, had TWO big hits and scored one of the most insane goals I've ever seen. And it was Shorthanded?! No question...

Although, it is pretty cool to think about the fact that Giroux asked to be put out on the first shift and was telling people to watch him, he certainly backed up those words.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Nov 30 @ 11:12 AM ET
I was just discussing this the other day, and I think it's Richards' shift, hands down. Richards took over the ice for over a minute, had TWO big hits and scored one of the most insane goals I've ever seen. And it was Shorthanded?! No question...

Although, it is pretty cool to think about the fact that Giroux asked to be put out on the first shift and was telling people to watch him, he certainly backed up those words.

- funkyjase



too bad he didnt bring it to the cup finals....
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Nov 30 @ 11:19 AM ET
Hockey is becoming a distant memory....i see a cancelled season in the near future.

Happy Friday!!!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 11:50 AM ET
Shannon on CBA: NHL, NHLPA not budging

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ing/#.ULjjRnxVjok.twitter
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Nov 30 @ 12:22 PM ET
Good to hear anything positive regarding Bryz...


Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10


Giroux will be, or is the franchise leader of this team. But to me that 2010 shift is what sums up Mike Richards as a player IMO.. Gotta go with Richie
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Nov 30 @ 12:51 PM ET
Bill, don't be ridiculous--Bryz can never have a great game.

Season is lost, IMO. Such a shame.

So, I want to pose this question instead?

Contextually, what's better--Mike Richards' shift in Game 5 of the 2010 ECF, or Claude Giroux's shift in Game 6 of the 2012 ECQF.

And go....

- KGBflyers10

"stupid question, NEXT!"

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 2:12 PM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

Interesting idea (not mine)...Don Fehr picks the 4-6 owners the players want in mtng, while Bettman selects players.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 30 @ 2:19 PM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger

Interesting idea (not mine)...Don Fehr picks the 4-6 owners the players want in mtng, while Bettman selects players.

- ob18


I can't wait to find out what next weeks episode is about!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
I can't wait to find out what next weeks episode is about!
- funmaster18


Desertification
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
Desertification
- ob18


I wish they could skip all the "lets try this" or "let's try that" distractions. They know what each other wants and if neither side wants to cave then just cancel the season. I'm tired of hearing what steps they are taking next when everyone knows already what it takes to get this done.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 2:34 PM ET
I wish they could skip all the "lets try this" or "let's try that" distractions. They know what each other wants and if neither side wants to cave then just cancel the season. I'm tired of hearing what steps they are taking next when everyone knows already what it takes to get this done.
- funmaster18


I just read it I don't care anymore, they come back whenever they realize they've hurt themselves almost if not beyond the point of what momentum they had gained from the last 8 years.

I'll just watch this tonight.

vs
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 2:50 PM ET
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

If Gary and Don don't have a deal done in a week or so, and it looks like we're headed for the abyss, I would propose the following:


Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

2 players, 2 agents, 2 owners, 2 GMs in room to settle remaining issues. 1 lawyer/side to document agreement that would be done in day or 2.
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