Mike Augello: Lupul Leaving A Sign Of Long Term Lockdown?

Mike Augello: Lupul Leaving A Sign Of Long Term Lockdown?
- mikeinbuffalo

A full year lockout benefits the Leafs in many ways but this is not one of them. Losing Lupul for nothing would be a significant lost opportunity to trade him at peak value and further build the future of this team.

A full year lockout benefits the Leafs in many ways but this is not one of them. Losing Lupul for nothing would be a significant lost opportunity to trade him at peak value and further build the future of this team.
- Two_For_Truth

your speaking as if a year long lockout is a blessing. This league I fear will be shattered in some markets. Just when the game gets good, Just when some American cities are interested, Just when it seems like hockey is back on the map. The Owners shoot the league down.

This is not beneficial to anyone.

Just watch this lockout provide a huge dip in attendance in lower market cite ultimately leading to and eventual other lockout in 5-10 years from now.

The last lockout was legit, Their were tons of economic issues that needed to be fixed. Done.

This lockout is because both sides are so fed up with one another that they want to prove they are stonger than the other.

Its a war of egos. And personally, I think the season is already scrapped. Im just attempting to find another passion in sports other than hockey. Cause As a religious hockey fan, someone who has spent thousands of dollars on my local team. If they dont appreciate me, what the hell am I hanging onto?

It will be hard for me to walk away from the game. But if this season is wiped from the slate. Im finding a new team to worship.

This shyt is fukkin retarded.....

A full year lockout benefits the Leafs in many ways but this is not one of them. Losing Lupul for nothing would be a significant lost opportunity to trade him at peak value and further build the future of this team.
- Two_For_Truth

Lupul and Kessel have become very good friends, don't worry, he's not going anywhere. And at 29 years old, and finally healthy and getting a top line role, Lupul has other reasons to be happy in T.O. There are many things wrong with the Leafs, but he's not one of them. I mean if Kessel gets moved, then trade Lupul too, but as long as Kessel is here, no need to move Lupes.

Lupul and Kessel have become very good friends, don't worry, he's not going anywhere. And at 29 years old, and finally healthy and getting a top line role, Lupul has other reasons to be happy in T.O. There are many things wrong with the Leafs, but he's not one of them. I mean if Kessel gets moved, then trade Lupul too, but as long as Kessel is here, no need to move Lupes.
- mykokes

Lupul being Kessel's friend and staying a long time isn't what I'm talking about. If Lupul is here for a long time, somebody made a big mistake. The point here is to trade Lupul while he's at the top of his game to get pieces that aren't 29 years old and half way to retirement.

your speaking as if a year long lockout is a blessing. This league I fear will be shattered in some markets. Just when the game gets good, Just when some American cities are interested, Just when it seems like hockey is back on the map. The Owners shoot the league down.
- vancity787

The lockout is a blessing for the Leafs. They get great lottery pick odds without having to actually lose all year long. That's a great deal. I couldn't care less about weak, Southern American markets. As Ivan Drago once said, if they die, they die.

This is not beneficial to anyone.

If the Leafs are drafting 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall, uh, yeah, it's beneficial to the Leafs. And if the price tag is a lockout, bring on the lockout.

The lockout is a blessing for the Leafs. They get great lottery pick odds without having to actually lose all year long. That's a great deal. I couldn't care less about weak, Southern American markets. As Ivan Drago once said, if they die, they die.



If the Leafs are drafting 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall, uh, yeah, it's beneficial to the Leafs. And if the price tag is a lockout, bring on the lockout.
- Two_For_Truth

The problem is, Bettman wont let the pathetic teams go down. His egos too big to be proven wrong on the locations hes chosen. As long as Bettmans around, choosing, and defending these shytty franchises every CBA discussion will be the same. Over and over and over again.

Lupul being Kessel's friend and staying a long time isn't what I'm talking about. If Lupul is here for a long time, somebody made a big mistake. The point here is to trade Lupul while he's at the top of his game to get pieces that aren't 29 years old and half way to retirement.
- Two_For_Truth

I just don't know if the pieces we'll get back will be that beneficial big guy. If we're keeping Kessel long-term, it makes sense to get the guy that helped make Kessel an 80 point player. If the plan is to let Kessel walk or to move him, then yes, trade Lupul. Fact is though, unless the return is good, it doesn't make sense to trade a 29 year old winger who notches 67 points in 66 games with 100 plus hits especially when he has great chemistry with your top player. And I get the whole idea of a complete rebuild, and being too close to 30, but there's the other side of the coin, guys like Marty St. Louis, Marc Savard, Ryan Whitney that all just needed a shot to perform, and once they got it, they performed late into their 30s. I think Lupul, his style of play (which isn't (sorry drunk) dependent on his wheels) could very well perform into his 30s as long as he's playing with guys that have chemistry. If a possible return is there in a trade that makes it a no-brainer, sure move him. But again, I'm not sure its there.

The lockout is a blessing for the Leafs. They get great lottery pick odds without having to actually lose all year long. That's a great deal. I couldn't care less about weak, Southern American markets. As Ivan Drago once said, if they die, they die.



If the Leafs are drafting 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall, uh, yeah, it's beneficial to the Leafs. And if the price tag is a lockout, bring on the lockout.
- Two_For_Truth

I agree with this. I could care less if the game will struggle after the lockout. At the end of the day I will continue to watch hockey and the Leafs are my team and are going nowhere. A top 3 pick and landing one or both of Perry and Getzlaf would be a dream scenario for Toronto. Anything less should cost Burke his job come next season.

I agree with this. I could care less if the game will struggle after the lockout. At the end of the day I will continue to watch hockey and the Leafs are my team and are going nowhere. A top 3 pick and landing one or both of Perry and Getzlaf would be a dream scenario for Toronto. Anything less should cost Burke his job come next season.
- PootieTang

1st line: Kessel/Getzlaf/Lupul
2nd line: Mckinnon/whoever/whoever
3rd line: Grabovski/whoever/whoever.....


Yup, I'm down with that

or!

Getzlaf/Perry/whoever
McKinnon/Kessel/Lupul!

PS. UG what the (frank) are you doing up so late man? I have an excuse, just got back from the bar, what's yours?

The problem is, Bettman wont let the pathetic teams go down. His egos too big to be proven wrong on the locations hes chosen. As long as Bettmans around, choosing, and defending these shytty franchises every CBA discussion will be the same. Over and over and over again.
- vancity787

They can't let the teams die because it benefits neither side. What they can do however is relocate a handful of teams and adjust revenue sharing. But, once again, the owners want the players to pay for mistakes the owners made. And so it continues.

1st line: Kessel/Getzlaf/Lupul
2nd line: Mckinnon/whoever/whoever
3rd line: Grabovski/whoever/whoever.....


Yup, I'm down with that
- mykokes

It's impossible to know but lets hope either Lupul or Burke or Carlyle can help lure in these 2. And large amounts of $$$ of course. Toronto is dying for excitement again. The Raptors and Jonas Valanciunas just aren't doing it for me...

Toronto, as a franchise, won't suffer because of a season long lockout. But the game and the league as a whole will. Which is sad at a time when the game is growing!

If the season is lost, Lupul will sign with a team that gives him the best chance to win. Unfortunately for the Leafs, that won't be with them.

I just don't know if the pieces we'll get back will be that beneficial big guy. If we're keeping Kessel long-term, it makes sense to get the guy that helped make Kessel an 80 point player. If the plan is to let Kessel walk or to move him, then yes, trade Lupul.
- mykokes

You don't know what you'll get back for Lupul? Okay. Think about it. They got Lupul for who again? A 30 year old Beauchemin. Oh yeah, and Gardiner too.

If they traded Lupul, they'd get more than enough in return. With or without Kessel, Lupul is worth more as trade bait than he is as a player.

Fact is though, unless the return is good, it doesn't make sense to trade a 29 year old winger who notches 67 points in 66 games with 100 plus hits especially when he has great chemistry with your top player. And I get the whole idea of a complete rebuild, and being too close to 30, but there's the other side of the coin, guys like Marty St. Louis, Marc Savard, Ryan Whitney that all just needed a shot to perform, and once they got it, they performed late into their 30s. I think Lupul, his style of play (which isn't (sorry drunk) dependent on his wheels) could very well perform into his 30s as long as he's playing with guys that have chemistry. If a possible return is there in a trade that makes it a no-brainer, sure move him. But again, I'm not sure its there.

Remember Bryan McCabe and Darcy Tucker? Career years are fun but in the end, it's long term extension or trade bait. We've been on the wrong end of that before. Let's try real hard not to do it agian.

I agree with this. I could care less if the game will struggle after the lockout. At the end of the day I will continue to watch hockey and the Leafs are my team and are going nowhere. A top 3 pick and landing one or both of Perry and Getzlaf would be a dream scenario for Toronto. Anything less should cost Burke his job come next season.
- PootieTang

The Perry and Getzlaf dream needs to end. Both of them are very good if not great players but signing those two guys as UFAs isn't the right direction for this team. Instead of trying to sign Getzlaf and Perry, the Leafs should be focusing on finding the next generation of Perry and Getzlaf. It's cheaper, it's more efficient and in the long run, it's better for the team.

You don't know what you'll get back for Lupul? Okay. Think about it. They got Lupul for who again? A 30 year old Beauchemin. Oh yeah, and Gardiner too.

If they traded Lupul, they'd get more than enough in return. With or without Kessel, Lupul is worth more as trade bait than he is as a player.



Remember Bryan McCabe and Darcy Tucker? Career years are fun but in the end, it's long term extension or trade bait. We've been on the wrong end of that before. Let's try real hard not to do it agian.
- Two_For_Truth

I do remember Tucker, and he was 31 when he had his career year and didn't have Lupul's pedigree. Tucker also never had a PPG season. As for McCabe, he was also 31. Lupul just turned 29.

The Perry and Getzlaf dream needs to end. Both of them are very good if not great players but signing those two guys as UFAs isn't the right direction for this team. Instead of trying to sign Getzlaf and Perry, the Leafs should be focusing on finding the next generation of Perry and Getzlaf. It's cheaper, it's more efficient and in the long run, it's better for the team.
- Two_For_Truth

Yeah that sounds great but isn't easy to do. Signing Perry and Getzlaf to 5 year deals is exactly what Toronto needs and in the meantime hold on to this years first round pick.

I do remember Tucker, and he was 31 when he had his career year and didn't have Lupul's pedigree. Tucker also never had a PPG season. As for McCabe, he was also 31. Lupul just turned 29.
- mykokes

A massive difference of one year. Lupul will be 30 when he's a UFA.

If this team were already a Conference Finals type of team, it's a different situation but sitting at 26th overall last year and with that being unlikely to change with or without a season this year, it's time to find the highest bidder for Lupul and keep this rebuild going in the right direction.

to clear this up, what should the leafs be looking for in terms of a trade for lupul....
Again Tucker never had a season like Lupul's. And if anything, this was the player that he was supposed to become when he was taken 7th overall.
And Lupul had his career season at 28....so a difference of 3 years.

to clear this up, what should the leafs be looking for in terms of a trade for lupul....
- mykokes

Nothing because it's not even possible without a CBA in place...

Nothing because it's not even possible without a CBA in place...
- PootieTang

I know, but this is a good topic as opposed to Luongo no?

Yeah that sounds great but isn't easy to do. Signing Perry and Getzlaf to 5 year deals is exactly what Toronto needs and in the meantime hold on to this years first round pick.
- PootieTang

Philosophical issues aside, I'm sure Perry and Getzlaf are absolutely dying to sign a 5 year deal in Toronto. Nothing like going from pressure free, sunny beaches to the mother of all fishbowl markets.

They can't let the teams die because it benefits neither side. What they can do however is relocate a handful of teams and adjust revenue sharing. But, once again, the owners want the players to pay for mistakes the owners made. And so it continues.
- Two_For_Truth

Essentially what I've been saying, Just much simpler

The Perry and Getzlaf dream needs to end. Both of them are very good if not great players but signing those two guys as UFAs isn't the right direction for this team. Instead of trying to sign Getzlaf and Perry, the Leafs should be focusing on finding the next generation of Perry and Getzlaf. It's cheaper, it's more efficient and in the long run, it's better for the team.
- Two_For_Truth

Perry Cares, Getzlaf doesn't. one difference between those two.

to clear this up, what should the leafs be looking for in terms of a trade for lupul....
Again Tucker never had a season like Lupul's. And if anything, this was the player that he was supposed to become when he was taken 7th overall.
And Lupul had his career season at 28....so a difference of 3 years.
- mykokes

Tucker had 28 goals and 61 points to Lupul's 23 goals and 68 points.

Their exact age is semantics at this point and besides the point. The team is in the wrong position to be giving guys in their 30s long term extensions for one good year.