Peter Tessier: What is the History & Lineage of the Winnipeg Jets? After some discussion should the lineage of the Winnipeg Jets 2.0 be defined?

WHA became NHL...and in the quote it says Old Jets are Phx. You are being silly on this Pete. Your franchise is from the Thrashers, NOT the Old Jets.

Think on it. The way you want it you get ALL Jets, which includes some players that played solid careers in Phx, yet you also get Thrashers. Leaving the Phx team with nothing but just the Coyotes players.

Your poll is getting it right.

Just accept that you're a franchise thief and move on. Only Thrashers players and 2011-2012 Jets players for you, thief.

The franchise that was once in Winnipeg is now in Phoenix, it belongs to them. The current franchise in Winnipeg is the one that was once in Atlanta. The old Jet's no more belong to the current Jet's franchise than the North Star's players belong on an all time Minnesota Wild team.

Remember: Bobby Hull's number is retired in Phoenix. It's not in Winnipeg.

Don't listen to these whiners Pete.

Hawerchuk, Steen, Housley, and Bobby Hull are all Jets IMO

It would just be wrong to have them not suit up for the Jets.

The franchise that was once in Winnipeg is now in Phoenix, it belongs to them. The current franchise in Winnipeg is the one that was once in Atlanta. The old Jet's no more belong to the current Jet's franchise than the North Star's players belong on an all time Minnesota Wild team.

Remember: Bobby Hull's number is retired in Phoenix. It's not in Winnipeg.
- Antilles

Hull's # was retired in Winnipeg first. Just because Phoenix bought the old Jets does not give them the right to our history. Just as the current Jets don't have any claim to the Thrashers history(who would honestly want that anyway?).

Don't listen to these whiners Pete.

Hawerchuk, Steen, Housley, and Bobby Hull are all Jets IMO

It would just be wrong to have them not suit up for the Jets.
- IanEsplen

If they were still playing they would be Coyotes.

It comes down to the question of which hockeybuzz blogger gets (frank)ed.

Do you (frank) French and give him 17 years of crap, or do you (frank) Tessier and give him 12 years of crap. Since Phoenix is the actual Winnipeg Jets, it should be Tessier who gets (frank)ed. The Coyotes have lasted longer, god knows how, than the Thrashers as well.

Had True North not named this team the Jets again, we wouldn't even be having this conversation so think about that.

Hull's # was retired in Winnipeg first. Just because Phoenix bought the old Jets does not give them the right to our history. Just as the current Jets don't have any claim to the Thrashers history(who would honestly want that anyway?).
- wolfie

Just because the Coyotes used to play in Winnipeg, and the Thrashers copied the Coyotes old name when the moving there, doesn't give the Thrashers the rights to the original Jet's history.

Hull's # was retired in Winnipeg first. Just because Phoenix bought the old Jets does not give them the right to our history. Just as the current Jets don't have any claim to the Thrashers history(who would honestly want that anyway?).
- wolfie

Actually that's exactly what happens.

If they were still playing they would be Coyotes.

It comes down to the question of which hockeybuzz blogger gets (frank)ed.

Do you (frank) French and give him 17 years of crap, or do you (frank) Tessier and give him 12 years of crap. Since Phoenix is the actual Winnipeg Jets, it should be Tessier who gets (frank)ed. The Coyotes have lasted longer, god knows how, than the Thrashers as well.

Had True North not named this team the Jets again, we wouldn't even be having this conversation so think about that.
- trolleytracks

I disagree.

since people actually care about the Jets and no one gives a rat's ass about the Yotes it should be Phoenix.

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Bettman wasn't such an anti-Canadian Sh!thead and left the team in Winnipeg where they belong.

Do it the way the NFL did it. When the Browns moved to Baltimore, all the Browns records etc remained and the Ravens were treated as a new franchise. The Jets history should start when they became an NHL team and pause when they left....then start up again last year. Only players who played in Winnipegshould apply... (ie, you can claim Selanne and Hawerchuck, but not Kovalchuk)

So who gets Thrasher players then?

I couldn't care less about any polls or "all-time" teams. In my mind it's simple....Hawerchuk, Steen, Selanne and Tkachuk are part of Jet history. Kovalchuk and Hossa are not. Jets 2.0 players are only the ones who played in Winnipeg last year.

Actually that's exactly what happens.
- Lahey

So if I buy your house, does that mean I get all of your family's history and can lay claim to your kids to?

I disagree.

since people actually care about the Jets and no one gives a rat's ass about the Yotes it should be Phoenix.

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Bettman wasn't such an anti-Canadian Sh!thead and left the team in Winnipeg where they belong.
- IanEsplen

This is true, and I'll agree no one cares about the Coyotes but that shouldn't take away the fact that they are the original Winnipeg Jets.

I applaud True North on the abilities of their marketing team. Playing to the tune of an old love song to reel in significant profits. The franchise would have sold out anyway, but by naming them the Jets they exponentially increased their revenue.

The "Jets" getting the "old Jets" is ridiculous and makes a mockery of this All-Time idea.

So if I buy your house, does that mean I get all of your family's history and can lay claim to your kids to?
- IanEsplen

Different situation, one in fact that back fires on you because the old jets never even played in the new building.

We should just be picking a certain year team, not all time rosters. It would be much easier.

As October is now upon us, Hockeybuzz is embarking on part 1 of our plan to beat the Lockout Blues and launching our first ever site-wide campaign. Every team blogger on the site is currently blogging and asking for your opinions as each team's fanbase is selecting the ultimate ALL-TIME team for each franchise in the NHL. Over the next ten days or so it is up to you to get your votes in and help ice the best team in your favorite franchise's history

- Eklunds Blog

One more point.

The Jets franchise moved to Phoenix, the Thrashers franchise moved to Winnipeg.

Keep it coming! Love the debate.

Breaks my heart, but technically, the post Ek put up was "Hockeybuzz Presents "You Pick The Best All-Time Teams Per Franchise 2012"

We picked up the "Atlanta" franchise. That's who we have to pick from...

NOW - I think an exception COULD be made for the WHA Jets. Technically, the Jets were an expansion team when they entered the NHL, so we could maybe stake some claim to the WHA Jets... need a ruling, though...

Being a Jets fan and living in Manitoba my whole life I have a strong desire to see the old jets be included in this all-time team.

Unfortunately looking at the parameters of this debate I can't help but agree that the old jets are now part of the Phoenix history and our jets get shafted with the Atlanta history.

I think it's a crying shame that the old jets are essentially forgotten in this all time selection but we can't go back and change things now.

Whatever the result a loud GO JETS GO will be this fans last words.

As I see it, The New Winnipeg Jets absorbed the Old Jets lineage when they named the take the Jets again. Growing up in Winnipeg, they Jets are as much as a part of Winnipeg as Winnipeg is as much as a part of the Jets. That city loves that team and name to death.

When it comes down to it, where would Bobby Hull like to see his number hanging from the rafters, Phoenix or Winnipeg. Its the city that made that team, not the other way around.

There's two ways to look at it, I guess... Winnipeg hockey history, and franchise hockey history. Winnipeg hockey history includes the likes of Hull, Hawerchuk, Selanne and Kane. Franchise history includes Kovalchuk, Heatley , Hossa and, I guess, Kane.

While I'd prefer Winnipeg hockey history, this mental exercise is about the franchise.

Now... if we were talking Winnipeg hockey history...

Do it the way the NFL did it. When the Browns moved to Baltimore, all the Browns records etc remained and the Ravens were treated as a new franchise. The Jets history should start when they became an NHL team and pause when they left....then start up again last year. Only players who played in Winnipegshould apply... (ie, you can claim Selanne and Hawerchuck, but not Kovalchuk)
- Emperor Filonius

That was a stipulation for the owner to move the team, that the franchise was relinquishing it's name, colors, logo, and history, at the time he was allowed to move them. Not something decided later. When the original Jet's franchise left Winnipeg, there were no such considerations. They were allowed to keep all those things. They may have chosen to change some of their own will, but others, like the franchise history, they've celebrated. Another franchise copying their name and moving to their former city doesn't give that franchise the rights to that history. Additionally, the fact the Thrashers have changed their name doesn't erase their history, and acting like it does seems disrespectful.

Again, using this same logic, the Wild should have access to all of North Star's history.

I agree, those players are part of Winnipeg hockey history. But they have nothing to do with this franchise.

WHA era - '96 Jets belong to the Coyotes

Thrashers belong to the new Jets.

It's debatable that the new Winnipeg franchise should have been named the Jets, which they were not supposed to be called until True North caved. Taking another team's history is bad especially if the old Jets still exist just in another city. Just remember the Sens get mocked for claiming the 1920's Sens history as their own. It is unfortunate though, that you get stuck with the Thrashers great history of excellence.