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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 26 @ 8:55 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Moving Forward, The Bogo vs J-Bo Model
Ondrej F
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prague
Joined: 02.17.2010

Jul 26 @ 9:00 AM ET
Voracek 4 Years , 17Mil reported by the czech press:
http://isport.blesk.cz/cl...y-vydela-360-milionu.html
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:03 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Moving Forward, The Bogo vs J-Bo Model
- bmeltzer


So, who is the new Alexei Zhitnik?

I agree with going after Bogosian. I've liked him for awhile, now and would love to see the Flyers go after him.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:06 AM ET
Voracek 4 Years , 17Mil reported by the czech press:
http://isport.blesk.cz/cl...y-vydela-360-milionu.html

- Ondrej F


too much!!
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:06 AM ET
So, who is the new Alexei Zhitnik?

I agree with going after Bogosian. I've liked him for awhile, now and would love to see the Flyers go after him.

- Jsaquella


sign kubina to trade for Bogosian.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:08 AM ET
Voracek 4 Years , 17Mil reported by the czech press:
http://isport.blesk.cz/cl...y-vydela-360-milionu.html

- Ondrej F

That would be fantastic!
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 26 @ 9:08 AM ET
Bill reporting czech press voracek 4 yr 17 mill
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:08 AM ET
Voracek 4 Years , 17Mil reported by the czech press:
http://isport.blesk.cz/cl...y-vydela-360-milionu.html

- Ondrej F


$4.25mm for Jake? I dig the 4 year aspect of it. Hope it's true.
Ondrej F
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prague
Joined: 02.17.2010

Jul 26 @ 9:09 AM ET
Too much, or fantastic??
I would say, too much, but this is his actual market value
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:10 AM ET
Too much, or fantastic??
I would say, too much, but this is his actual market value

- Ondrej F

I think it is a commitment, but one that will be a great move by the Flyers.

I honestly think Jake is our 2nd best forward, and possibly our best two way forward as of right now. I expect a big year for him...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:11 AM ET
I think there is lots of disappointment among the fan base due to Holmgren's efforts not producing any impact players, he gets A for effort. Perhaps he could have sweetened the pot to entice Nashville to make a trade, but sounds like Nashville wouldn't come down from their asking price.

The Flyers still have a young, competitive team that will build chemistry. There are a few concerns including the health of the defense, as well as puck moving ability, but every team has some issues to deal with.

It will be nice to have some cap space flexibility at the trade deadline, there will be good players available and the Flyers can use the first half of the season to assess their needs.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:12 AM ET
That would be fantastic!
- jak521


too much money i think.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:12 AM ET
Too much, or fantastic??
I would say, too much, but this is his actual market value

- Ondrej F


Given the deals signed by Oshie and David Perron in St Louis it's a tad high, but the 4 years is great.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:13 AM ET
I think there is lots of disappointment among the fan base due to Holmgren's efforts not producing any impact players, he gets A for effort. Perhaps he couldn't have sweetened the pot to entice Nashville to make a trade, but sounds like Nashville wouldn't come down from their asking price.

The Flyers still have a young, competitive team that will build chemistry. There are a few concerns including the health of the defense, as well as puck moving ability, but every team has some issues to deal with.

It will be nice to have some cap space flexibility at the trade deadline, there will be good players available and the Flyers can use the first half of the season to assess their needs.

- PLindbergh31


we all know if on tuesday, it was reported that Schenn, Voracek and Meszaros were traded to Nashville to get 2 of the 4 picks back for Weber.......right??
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:13 AM ET
Voracek 4 Years , 17Mil reported by the czech press:
http://isport.blesk.cz/cl...y-vydela-360-milionu.html

- Ondrej F


Wow, more than I thought he would get. Was thinking in the 3.75 range.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:13 AM ET
Too much, or fantastic??
I would say, too much, but this is his actual market value

- Ondrej F


now we only have like 3 mil in cap space.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 26 @ 9:15 AM ET
I think there is lots of disappointment among the fan base due to Holmgren's efforts not producing any impact players, he gets A for effort. Perhaps he could have sweetened the pot to entice Nashville to make a trade, but sounds like Nashville wouldn't come down from their asking price.

The Flyers still have a young, competitive team that will build chemistry. There are a few concerns including the health of the defense, as well as puck moving ability, but every team has some issues to deal with.

It will be nice to have some cap space flexibility at the trade deadline, there will be good players available and the Flyers can use the first half of the season to assess their needs.

- PLindbergh31


One man can change things for the Flyers: Ilya Bryzgalov
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:16 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Moving Forward, The Bogo vs J-Bo Model
- bmeltzer


so this is how our team is going to look opening night?

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Briere - Schenn - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Fedotenko
Wellwood - Talbot - Sestito

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossmann
Meszaros - Gervais

I still think they are missing a scorer and a d-man, but this might be as good as it gets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 26 @ 9:16 AM ET
Wow, more than I thought he would get. Was thinking in the 3.75 range.
- PLindbergh31



It's about what I expected.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 26 @ 9:16 AM ET
we all know if on tuesday, it was reported that Schenn, Voracek and Meszaros were traded to Nashville to get 2 of the 4 picks back for Weber.......right??
- flyersfan51


Fans may be disappointed in the result, but there is nothing on the planet Homer could have done differently other than trading for Nash. Nash not a good fit here BTW IMO.

It was reported he offered the most cash to Suter and Parise, and actually got the biggest prize in years to sign an offer sheet.

If anything, one could criticize him for being overly aggresive. But even raising his grade this offseason is that he is unwilling to give up Schenn and Coots.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:18 AM ET
One man can change things for the Flyers: Ilya Bryzgalov
- stveshdy


Yup. He can't do it alone. More defensive responsibility from everyone in front of him is a must. Has to be a bigger commitment from the forwards defensively. It's not even that Bryzalov was terrible last year, it was more consistency that was the issue. Great at times, brutal at times. Somewhere in the middle for the full season is what fans want to see.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:18 AM ET
now we only have like 3 mil in cap space.
- flyersfan51

Its only July 26th
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 26 @ 9:18 AM ET
It's about what I expected.
- MJL


I guess in the grand scheme of things 500K more per year isn't a huge deal, when you are talking about a cap that is around 70 million.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 26 @ 9:18 AM ET
I think there is lots of disappointment among the fan base due to Holmgren's efforts not producing any impact players, he gets A for effort. Perhaps he could have sweetened the pot to entice Nashville to make a trade, but sounds like Nashville wouldn't come down from their asking price.

The Flyers still have a young, competitive team that will build chemistry. There are a few concerns including the health of the defense, as well as puck moving ability, but every team has some issues to deal with.

It will be nice to have some cap space flexibility at the trade deadline, there will be good players available and the Flyers can use the first half of the season to assess their needs.

- PLindbergh31


The only one I am disappointed in missing is Weber. The bids for Suter and Parise were legitimate, but I never expected either to come to Philly in the first place. The same would go for Shane Doan. He'd be a great fit, but there's so much going on there that I can't really get too pumped at the possibility of him signing here, because like Parise and Suter it's a long shot at best.

I mean, we hear about the Flyers diminished capacity to attract free agents, but nobody says anything about Detroit or Pittsburgh. The Pens traded their best defensive center after he refused a 10 year, $60mm deal. He then signed an identical deal three days later with his new team.

Detroit was heavily in on Suter and others and lost out. Even just looking at the Atlantic, Pittsburgh and NJ have lost some serious firepower and are not as good as they were last year-which is what I keep hearing from the local media about the Flyers.

Rather than be disappointed I look at the stuff you mention, a good young team, talented kids that were held onto and can grow, plus cap flexibility to add to the mix as the season progresses.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 26 @ 9:19 AM ET
Bill reporting czech press voracek 4 yr 17 mill
- Philly1980


Fair I guess. We all expected 4m per +/- 250k so no shocker.
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