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John Gove
Joined: 07.02.2015

Apr 27 @ 12:41 PM ET
John Gove: Don't Look Too Much Into Kucherov Comments
jvar17
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 08.18.2014

Apr 27 @ 12:50 PM ET
Coopers coaching methods have definitely been questionable, I don't blame him for having doubts about him.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 27 @ 1:00 PM ET
For any player that felt slighted by his words, sometimes the truth hurts. Kuch earned the right to say what in this case needed to be said and I for one applaud him for it.

The only question I ponder is what if any affect this has on Cooper's longevity. This isn't the first time some of his methods have been questioned from within, yet we have yet to see any kind of adjustment. At some point something will have to give
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Apr 27 @ 1:06 PM ET
you guys still have garrison so don't worry.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 1:08 PM ET
Killorn has never scored more than 41 points in a season.. 36 is right around is career average... so yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. Dude's 27, he's not going to get much better, if any better at all.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Apr 27 @ 1:12 PM ET
It was just locker room talk. nothing more
skindzier
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 04.12.2007

Apr 27 @ 1:23 PM ET
He's obviously a cancer - you need to trade him to us now. We'll give you Ericsson and a third.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Apr 27 @ 1:25 PM ET
He's obviously a cancer - you need to trade him to us now. We'll give you Ericsson and a third.
- skindzier


Woah we'll give you our ericsson and and our 3rd.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 27 @ 1:30 PM ET
Killorn has never scored more than 41 points in a season.. 36 is right around is career average... so yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. Dude's 27, he's not going to get much better, if any better at all.
- j.boyd919


The comments weren't directed at his production or lack thereof, they were directed at his commitment and hard work on the ice which were not at previous levels before his deal
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
The comments weren't directed at his production or lack thereof, they were directed at his commitment and hard work on the ice which were not at previous levels before his deal
- uf1910


Meh. Dude put up the same points he has his entire career. Production is still production. I think people expect him to be something he's not. He's a 27 year old top 6 winger. Dude's not elite and will never be. I'll take 40 points every year if that's waht he's gonna dish out.
habfanforever
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
Another one of the many cool players on Tampa Bay. Kudos to him for speaking the truth. Tampa is so close to a cup I think all Yzerman needs to do is some tweaking here and there.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 1:47 PM ET
Another one of the many cool players on Tampa Bay. Kudos to him for speaking the truth. Tampa is so close to a cup I think all Yzerman needs to do is some tweaking here and there.
- habfanforever


yeah, fire the coach.
stormeyAlterEgo
Location: The Attack Line of Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen - Brandon Smille
Joined: 09.24.2008

Apr 27 @ 1:48 PM ET
It was just locker room talk. nothing more
- DeflatedPucks

That's the problem....it wasn't.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Apr 27 @ 1:57 PM ET
This seems to come up with Russian speaking players every summer. Do you think something is lost in translation? Or is it just the hip thing to blast your overseas team when you go home for the summer?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 2:17 PM ET
This seems to come up with Russian speaking players every summer. Do you think something is lost in translation? Or is it just the hip thing to blast your overseas team when you go home for the summer?
- leafsfann


I think a little bit of both (not hip, but just honest). Singling out Russians is ridiculous, given Eichel did the samething a week or 2 again. It just makes it harder because of the language/culture barrier to understand the context.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 27 @ 2:34 PM ET
Meh. Dude put up the same points he has his entire career. Production is still production. I think people expect him to be something he's not. He's a 27 year old top 6 winger. Dude's not elite and will never be. I'll take 40 points every year if that's waht he's gonna dish out.
- j.boyd919


Regardless of production he can be better which is what Kuch was getting at.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 2:35 PM ET
Regardless of production he can be better which is what Kuch was getting at.
- uf1910


Right, and I'm saying he can't because his production is consistent with everything he has done over his career, and he is at the age where players plateau and start their decline. People need to understand players ceilings. There is nothing in Killorn's past 5 years that says he is trending upward at all. So there is no reason to assume he would get better.
Egleg
Joined: 07.01.2012

Apr 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
Honestly, slap the C on this guy.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 27 @ 2:48 PM ET
Right, and I'm saying he can't because his production is consistent with everything he has done over his career, and he is at the age where players plateau and start their decline. People need to understand players ceilings. There is nothing in Killorn's past 5 years that says he is trending upward at all. So there is no reason to assume he would get better.
- j.boyd919


Again, Kuch's comments weren't directed at his production. They were directed at how hard he was working on the ice which was not at the same level as it was pre-extension.

Killorn can still be the same production level player as he was previously while also being the hard-worker he was before as well. One simple look at Killorn's season shows this. Started the year on fire, then went silent, then he had a good road trip out west, and then went silent again. But it wasn't the stats or lack thereof that was glaring, it was how Killorn was playing. Especially on the trip out west he was one of our better players, but for vast stretches of the season he was invisible or worse yet sometimes flat out lazy on the ice.

The problem for Killorn is he has shown all of us what he can do, what Kuch and for that matter everyone wants is for Killorn to want to do it as well. That want factor was lacking for large stretches of this season and to argue otherwise is just foolish


j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
Again, Kuch's comments weren't directed at his production. They were directed at how hard he was working on the ice which was not at the same level as it was pre-extension.

Killorn can still be the same production level player as he was previously while also being the hard-worker he was before as well. One simple look at Killorn's season shows this. Started the year on fire, then went silent, then he had a good road trip out west, and then went silent again. But it wasn't the stats or lack thereof that was glaring, it was how Killorn was playing. Especially on the trip out west he was one of our better players, but for vast stretches of the season he was invisible or worse yet sometimes flat out lazy on the ice.

The problem for Killorn is he has shown all of us what he can do, what Kuch and for that matter everyone wants is for Killorn to want to do it as well. That want factor was lacking for large stretches of this season and to argue otherwise is just foolish

- uf1910


Nah. If anything the blame should be placed on players with subpar seasons. Garrison, Brown, Stralman, Sustr, and Bishop and Vasi's inconsistencies. Not the player who finished the season averaging around the same points he has his entire career. That is foolish.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 27 @ 3:10 PM ET
Love the heat your dishing out, keep telling them.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:20 PM ET
Nah. If anything the blame should be placed on players with subpar seasons. Garrison, Brown, Stralman, Sustr, and Bishop and Vasi's inconsistencies. Not the player who finished the season averaging around the same points he has his entire career. That is foolish.
- j.boyd919


Correct me if I'm wrong but this tells a different story

http://www.hockey-referen...illoal01-advanced-ev.html
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:24 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong but this tells a different story

http://www.hockey-referen...illoal01-advanced-ev.html

- uf1910


What exactly am I looking at? There are lots of things to look at there.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:43 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong but this tells a different story

http://www.hockey-referen...illoal01-advanced-ev.html

- uf1910


There is so much data out there, just looking at those numbers would be foolish. We've got plenty of different metrics to look at than just Corsi and PDO. HERO charts are a good start. Dom's gamescores are solid. Ineffective math is good data. Everything I've looked at points to him still playing like a top 6 forward, and that's really all that matters. The guy is a passenger, he's not one whos going to generate offense alone, and the fact that he still put up 36 points bouncing around the lineup due to injuries (and lower QoT) is a testament to his play. Killorn was not a problem what so ever.
verwustung
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:56 PM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong but this tells a different story

http://www.hockey-referen...illoal01-advanced-ev.html

- uf1910

Well, let"s see.You actually watch the games and follow the team. j.boyd looks at stats and boxscores to form his opinions. Hmmmmm...who to believe?
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