buffalofan19
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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First point: You cannot discount all the injuries this team had last year. Don't actually blame Pominville, but blame Regier for not having a deeper roster, either here or in the AHL to draw from.
Second point: Saying he hasn't led his team to victory yet is undervaluing all the strong, two-way play he has given his team over the years. And he's only been captain for one year. There are a couple dozen other captains right now in the NHL that haven't led their teams to victory either. - Powerslave
And other than Rick Nash, I'm not in a hurry to acquire any one of them. Look, I'm not saying I don't like the guy or what he brings. I'm just saying that his body of work doesn't merit the "untouchable" status that certain people are way too eager to give him. He hasn't done anything poorly. He really hasn't done anything great either. Is all of that his fault? No. If Pominville were really good enough to be untouchable, we wouldn't need to blame Regier as much for not having a deeper roster. He'd be "the guy". The fact is, though, he's not. He's a complementary player on a contending team. A complement without a kingpin does your team no good, and if you can acquire that kingpin with that complementary player, you do it. We can debate whether Ryan, Nash, Getzlaf, or whoever else is good enough to be that kingpin, but the fact that Pominville is being held as on their level (and he is, by saying you wouldn't give him up for any of these players) is a gross overvaluation, and you don't win Cups that way. |
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Powerslave
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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Damn. I didn't watch any Thrashers games (who did?) and didn't see many Jets games. I thought he was drafted as a center. Oh well, scrap that idea. I'd still like to get him though. I really want to get another LW anyways just because I want to move Vanek to the right side - RayHatesDomi
I'm surprised Garth hasn't said throw an offer sheet towards Evander yet. He's a free agent, yes?
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Let's try Myers at center.
Love to see that experiment, even for one preseason game. - Powerslave
I want to put him in pads then have him skate up the ice and shoot
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Let's try Myers at center.
Love to see that experiment, even for one preseason game. - Powerslave
Entertaining yes.Love to see more of Myers standing in front of the net this year as well. |
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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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Getzlaf is the type of mean nasty guy we need here.Who said he wouldnt come to Buffalo ?No im still not trading Pomminvile our most consistant all around winger for him either. - buffalo 1
Getzlaf is a better player than Jason Pominville. He'd be an upgrade. That's how you win Cups, by having the ability to exchange good players for better ones. If Regier turns that proposal down (and I doubt it even exists), he should be fired. If Murray offers that deal, he should be fired as well. It's that one-sided. |
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RayHatesDomi
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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I'm surprised Garth hasn't said throw an offer sheet towards Evander yet. He's a free agent, yes? - Powerslave
Now that Oshie's signed I'm sure he'll be the subject of Garth's next blog.
Correction...I'm sure a Doan blog is next, then there will be one on Kane
And yes, he's an rfa |
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Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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And other than Rick Nash, I'm not in a hurry to acquire any one of them. Look, I'm not saying I don't like the guy or what he brings. I'm just saying that his body of work doesn't merit the "untouchable" status that certain people are way too eager to give him. He hasn't done anything poorly. He really hasn't done anything great either. Is all of that his fault? No. If Pominville were really good enough to be untouchable, we wouldn't need to blame Regier as much for not having a deeper roster. He'd be "the guy". The fact is, though, he's not. He's a complementary player on a contending team. A complement without a kingpin does your team no good, and if you can acquire that kingpin with that complementary player, you do it. We can debate whether Ryan, Nash, Getzlaf, or whoever else is good enough to be that kingpin, but the fact that Pominville is being held as on their level (and he is, by saying you wouldn't give him up for any of these players) is a gross overvaluation, and you don't win Cups that way. - buffalofan19
I never said he was untouchable. I would just like to ADD to this team, as opposed to just keeping on spinning our wheels.
Pominville out for Ryan straight up? Ok. Sign me up.
But, are we really that much better when it's all said and done?
I, personally, don't think we are. But, then again, I may be wrong. |
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RayHatesDomi
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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Getzlaf is a better player than Jason Pominville. He'd be an upgrade. That's how you win Cups, by having the ability to exchange good players for better ones. If Regier turns that proposal down (and I doubt it even exists), he should be fired. If Murray offers that deal, he should be fired as well. It's that one-sided. - buffalofan19
Might not be a bad deal for Murray. Getz is in the last year of his deal. Maybe Murray doesn't think they'll be able to re-sign Getz |
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MrSquirrel
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Location: NY Joined: 07.05.2012
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Sabres fans don't want Ennis, they want a team full of BIG men like Hodgson who is a whopping 6' tall and has tree trunks for legs. They rather have guys like brad may or goose who stick handle with their heads down
Just adding to current core is not going to help, I would trade Poms now before he gets even slower and breaks more sticks next year. He is not a first line winger to build cup dreams on. |
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RayHatesDomi
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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I never said he was untouchable. I would just like to ADD to this team, as opposed to just keep spinning our wheels.
Pominville out for Ryan straight up? Ok. Sign me up.
But, are we really that much better when it's all said and done?
I, personally, don't think we are. But, then again, I may be wrong. - Powerslave
I think we improve both now and long term. I do think Ryan is better than Pommer. Plus, he's younger. I really think moving Vanek to the right would be a big improvement as well. |
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buffalofan19
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Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes Joined: 07.01.2007
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I never said he was untouchable. I would just like to ADD to this team, as opposed to just keep spinning our wheels.
Pominville out for Ryan straight up? Ok. Sign me up.
But, are we really that much better when it's all said and done?
I, personally, don't think we are. But, then again, I may be wrong. - Powerslave
I think the Sabres are better in that deal, and like I said, we can debate who is worth it, and who isn't, but what I am trying to get at is that if you are trying to acquire a player of that caliber (and all indications are that the Sabres have this intention), they have to give up an asset that "hurts". Pominville falls under that category, but he doesn't "hurt" as much as some others, such as Myers, Grigorenko, and maybe Ennis.
If you trade Pominville for a better player, you have made your team better, even if you do lose the leadership he brings, which has been good, but nowhere near great.
And let's get one thing clear. Pominville would not be my first choice to go. Ideally, I would like to trade Vanek, preferably for Nash, but if Howson comes back and says he'd rather have Pominville, I'm not hanging up the phone. |
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Powerslave
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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I think we improve both now and long term. I do think Ryan is better than Pommer. Plus, he's younger. I really think moving Vanek to the right would be a big improvement as well. - RayHatesDomi
They may have to move him to the RW just out of necessity anyway, if the roster remains the same. Too many damn LWers.
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Powerslave
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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I think the Sabres are better in that deal, and like I said, we can debate who is worth it, and who isn't, but what I am trying to get at is that if you are trying to acquire a player of that caliber (and all indications are that the Sabres have this intention), they have to give up an asset that "hurts". Pominville falls under that category, but he doesn't "hurt" as much as some others, such as Myers, Grigorenko, and maybe Ennis.
If you trade Pominville for a better player, you have made your team better, even if you do lose the leadership he brings, which has been good, but nowhere near great. - buffalofan19
Fair enough. If the consensus is that Ryan is that much of an upgrade, then do it. |
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Sabres fans don't want Ennis, they want a team full of BIG men like Hodgson who is a whopping 6' tall and has tree trunks for legs. They rather have guys like brad may or goose who stick handle with their heads down
Just adding to current core is not going to help, I would trade Poms now before he gets even slower and breaks more sticks next year. He is not a first line winger to build cup dreams on. - MrSquirrel
a good friend of mine told me that Pommer can play on the second line as well..
are you on crack because this is a statment full of stupid |
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Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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a good friend of mine told me that Pommer can play on the second line as well..
are you on crack because this is a statment full of stupid - SabresFaninIndiana
Rico?
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Sabres fans don't want Ennis, they want a team full of BIG men like Hodgson who is a whopping 6' tall and has tree trunks for legs. They rather have guys like brad may or goose who stick handle with their heads down
Just adding to current core is not going to help, I would trade Poms now before he gets even slower and breaks more sticks next year. He is not a first line winger to build cup dreams on. - MrSquirrel
My only knock on Pominville is how many times he whiffs on clearing the puck while on the PK. Anyone else notice that? He fails to get it past the D more than any player I know when the puck is near him or on his stick. I don't remember it leading directly to any goals but it's still frustrating to watch. I like him as a player all-around, that is my only complaint. For all the trade talker folks.....I'd keep Jason and I'm sure the Sabres feel the same way. |
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RayHatesDomi
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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Getz is a center so whos attribute is dishing the puck off and clearing the net out.So if we give up Pommer whis he going to dish off to whos money in front of the net ?We lose scoring again.Is still trade Vanek over Pommer.Vanek s a one trick pony a one trick pony and if they want a gifted winger of simular value hes the man.Id love to give them Stafford or Leino. - buffalo 1
IMO, Lindy has turned Vanek into a one trick pony and really limited his game. Vanek has more to offer.
That being said, I'm fine w/ moving him if needed |
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Powerslave
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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IMO, Lindy has turned Vanek into a one trick pony and really limited his game. Vanek has more to offer.
That being said, I'm fine w/ moving him if needed - RayHatesDomi
As much as I stick up for Lindy, I agree 100%.
Remember the year Lindy tried Vanek out on the penalty kill for a few games? He had 2 SHG. |
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camcook4
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 07.20.2012
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Powerslave
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Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
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Do you proofread? - camcook4
Have you read a Garth blog before?
If so, you should know the answer.
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RayHatesDomi
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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As much as I stick up for Lindy, I agree 100%.
Remember the year Lindy tried Vanek out on the penalty kill for a few games? He had 2 SHG. - Powerslave
Yeah, I've often wondered why he doesn't try him there anymore. Especially when trailing late in a game |
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Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection. Joined: 10.15.2007
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IMO, Lindy has turned Vanek into a one trick pony and really limited his game. Vanek has more to offer.
That being said, I'm fine w/ moving him if needed - RayHatesDomi
When I was little girl I had pony. We AAAALL had ponies. I LOOOVED my pony. |
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Do you proofread? - camcook4
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hubie
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY Joined: 06.28.2011
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Do you proofread? - camcook4
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RayHatesDomi
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Tank You Very Much Joined: 06.30.2009
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When I was little girl I had pony. We AAAALL had ponies. I LOOOVED my pony. - Pairo11
Who's gonna think an immigrant's gonna have a pony? |
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