Ryan is not Luc Robitaille.

Why are we giving up the house for this guy? He's had one of the best centermen in the game dishing to him, and one of the best wingers in the game (Perry) taking heat off of him.

He will not come to Buffalo and suddenly elevate his game even more. If anything, he regresses.

Nash, who has basically done it all by himself, is another story, and I agree with that trade proposal.
- Powerslave

Nash aint coming to Buffalo end of story there.I wouldnt be suprised to see him here in Columbus for the start of the season.

Because he's our most consistant guy who plays all situations and scores on average 60-75 points a year. They also just made him team captain not sure why you'd want to deal him. I'd rather have pommer then Ryan or Nash, he's just as good as either of those guys
- Sabres30

Now that Roys gone count on Pommer being the next whipping boy on this team.

Ryan actually spends a lot of time playing w/ Koivu and Selanne. He also plays a little bit at center from time to time. He doesn't play nearly as much with Getzlaf as you are implying. In fact, they put Ryan w/ Getz and Perry to add a spark when those two are slumping.

Bobby Ryan is better than any winger we have

Edit: I'm glad he's not Robitaille. Sure he scored a million goals but, were any of them clutch? He couldn't handle the pressure of playing w/ Gretzky and had to be put on the 2nd line in LA
- RayHatesDomi

How many Bobby Ryan goals have been "clutch"? Luc scored 668 goals in his NHL career, 89 of them game-winners, and 58 in the playoffs. He had an almost 17% shooting percentage. Don't tell me none of them were clutch.

And I just used Luc as an example of a guy who scored a lot of NHL goals. My favorite winger of all time is actually Cam Neely. (And don't you do it! Ryan is not Neely)

I'm not disagreeing Ryan is a great player. But he's not a savior, and I'd be careful how much we give up for him. Trading anything more than Pominville (many Sabres fans don't actually appreciate all the things he does during a game anymore because he's been here so long) is overpayment.

Nash aint coming to Buffalo end of story there.I wouldnt be suprised to see him here in Columbus for the start of the season.
- buffalo 1

Never said he was. Just giving my opinion on a trade proposal.

Nash aint coming to Buffalo end of story there.I wouldnt be suprised to see him here in Columbus for the start of the season.
- buffalo 1

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I have no interest in Nash

If Kulin gets $2.3M per or whatever it was then Ennis should get $5M per !



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How many Bobby Ryan goals have been "clutch"? Luc scored 668 goals in his NHL career, 89 of them game-winners, and 58 in the playoffs. He had an almost 17% shooting percentage. Don't tell me none of them were clutch.

I'm not disagreeing Ryan is a great player. But he's not a savior, and I'd be careful how much we give up for him. Trading anything more than Pominville (many Sabres fans don't actually appreciate all the things he does during a game anymore because he's been here so long) is overpayment.
- Powerslave

I've always been a Kings fan. I've watched Robitaille score a ton. I've just never felt he made any team he played for any better.

It would depend on the importance of a specific game but, IMO, gwg is overrated anyways. You can score the 5th goal in a 5-0 1st period and then win 5-4 and you get gwg credit.

I've said it before, I wish they would track go ahead goals. It would be a much more telling stat to know which players score when the game is tied

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- RayHatesDomi[/img]

Why not?

He's a better player than Bobby Ryan.

Nash aint coming to Buffalo end of story there.I wouldnt be suprised to see him here in Columbus for the start of the season.
- buffalo 1

I will actually disagree with this ...... I think if the Jackets / Sabres struck a deal: Pegula / company would convince Nash to come to Buffalo.

This sabres team right now is in limbo: A lot of players with a LOT of potential and are very young. (Hodgson, Ennis, Grigorenko, Foligno) Bring in Nash: You have a top 10 player in the league when motivated. Hes a leader, scorer, and plays physical. That veteran presence can help our young players.

and at the very least: The Sabres have a solid defense. Myers, Ehrhoff, Regher, Leo, McNabb, Sekera, Sulzer, Weber, (the guy we aquired from Dallas), and Brennon.

Then Miller will be 100% healthy and good to go. So the Sabres offensive are young and have potential. The Defense / Goalie are solid.

Never said he was. Just giving my opinion on a trade proposal.
- Powerslave

Just got tired of hearing the Nash thing with reguard to Buffalo.Not a hit against you personally and your dead on with your Pomminville thoughts In my opinion.What more does this guy have to do to show his value drop his gloves ?

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- RayHatesDomi

I've always been a Kings fan. I've watched Robitaille score a ton. I've just never felt he made any team he played for any better.

It would depend on the importance of a specific game but, IMO, gwg is overrated anyways. You can score the 5th goal in a 5-0 1st period and then win 5-4 and you get gwg credit.

I've said it before, I wish they would track go ahead goals. It would be a much more telling stat to know which players score when the game is tied
- RayHatesDomi

100% agree on that point.

Perhaps Luc was a bad example.

Pominville straight up for Ryan, then?

I'd actually like to see Buffalo add more scoring without subtracting from their forward ranks much. I think a guy like Pominville, with the right cast around him, can actually help you win in the playoffs.

Because he's our most consistant guy who plays all situations and scores on average 60-75 points a year. They also just made him team captain not sure why you'd want to deal him. I'd rather have pommer then Ryan or Nash, he's just as good as either of those guys
- Sabres30

He was the captain of a team that grossly underachieved under his leadership. I'm not saying the guy can't lead a successful team to victory, but the fact is, he hasn't yet. If Pominville goes the other way in a trade for the likes of a Nash, Getzlaf, Ryan, or player like that, you're not giving up on him. You're giving a very good asset to get a better one in return. In order to get a player of that caliber, you have to give an asset that "hurts" to lose. The likes of Sekera, Stafford, and the other popular names around here don't fit that bill. Pominville does.

I will actually disagree with this ...... I think if the Jackets / Sabres struck a deal: Pegula / company would convince Nash to come to Buffalo.

This sabres team right now is in limbo: A lot of players with a LOT of potential and are very young. (Hodgson, Ennis, Grigorenko, Foligno) Bring in Nash: You have a top 10 player in the league when motivated. Hes a leader, scorer, and plays physical. That veteran presence can help our young players.

and at the very least: The Sabres have a solid defense. Myers, Ehrhoff, Regher, Leo, McNabb, Sekera, Sulzer, Weber, (the guy we aquired from Dallas), and Brennon.

Then Miller will be 100% healthy and good to go. So the Sabres offensive are young and have potential. The Defense / Goalie are solid.
- buffalofan1027

Poor Adam Pardy!

Poor Adam Pardy!
- Powerslave

2 Million he'll take home this year, he aint that poor.


You can call me whatever for 2 Million bucks!

I will actually disagree with this ...... I think if the Jackets / Sabres struck a deal: Pegula / company would convince Nash to come to Buffalo.

This sabres team right now is in limbo: A lot of players with a LOT of potential and are very young. (Hodgson, Ennis, Grigorenko, Foligno) Bring in Nash: You have a top 10 player in the league when motivated. Hes a leader, scorer, and plays physical. That veteran presence can help our young players.

and at the very least: The Sabres have a solid defense. Myers, Ehrhoff, Regher, Leo, McNabb, Sekera, Sulzer, Weber, (the guy we aquired from Dallas), and Brennon.

Then Miller will be 100% healthy and good to go. So the Sabres offensive are young and have potential. The Defense / Goalie are solid.
- buffalofan1027

Nash has already stated a list of teams he would accept.I dont see it changing.Personnally I have no desire to see the Sabres try to aquire him for the coin he commands.

Poor Adam Pardy!
- Powerslave

im sorry ..... i completely forgot his name for some reason!

2 Million he'll take home this year, he aint that poor.


You can call me whatever for 2 Million bucks!
- Buffalo--Sabres

True. But, I'm sure he's rather be playing in the show, as opposed to riding busses again. But, I get your point. He is getting paid to play the game he loves.

Nash has already stated a list of teams he would accept.I dont see it changing.Personnally I have no desire to see the Sabres try to aquire him for the coin he commands.
- buffalo 1

They already offered $100 million contracts to Parise and Suter, and were most likely in on Weber as well. Nash's deal looks like pocket change compared to the deals being thrown around right now.

Nash has already stated a list of teams he would accept.I dont see it changing.Personnally I have no desire to see the Sabres try to aquire him for the coin he commands.
- buffalo 1

And for what the Sabres would have to give up for him, unless Howson's asking price has dropped.

Why not?

He's a better player than Bobby Ryan.
- buffalofan19

maybe but, not by much

Nash is 28 and has a 7.8 cap hit
averages .43 goals per game and .38 assists per game

Ryan is 25 and has a 5.1 cap hit
averages .41 gpg and .37 apg

I'm not saying Nash isn't a good player, I just prefer Ryan. I prefer his youth and cap hit. Plus, it wouldn't cost as much to get Ryan

Nash aint coming to Buffalo end of story there.I wouldnt be suprised to see him here in Columbus for the start of the season.
- buffalo 1

Nash doesn't want to play in Buffalo.
Ryan doesn't want to play in Buffalo.
Getzlaf doesn't want to play in Buffalo.
Richards didn't want to play in Buffalo.
Kane doesn't want to play in Buffalo.
Iginla doesn't want to play in Buffalo.
Parise didn't want to play in Buffalo.
Suter didn't want to play in Buffalo.
Weber won't want to play in Buffalo.

and so on, and so on.

Maybe in a few years we'll be a destination for these superstars. But right now we are not.

Nash has already stated a list of teams he would accept.I dont see it changing.Personnally I have no desire to see the Sabres try to aquire him for the coin he commands.
- buffalo 1

If the Sabres really want Nash, and can strike a deal with Howson that makes both sides happy, I'm guessing Terry Pegula can get him to put Buffalo on that list. He's done it before. All he has to do is make Buffalo sounds like a better place to play than its reputation indicates.

And for what the Sabres would have to give up for him, unless Howson's asking price has dropped.
- Powerslave

we dont have enough for howson

He was the captain of a team that grossly underachieved under his leadership. I'm not saying the guy can't lead a successful team to victory, but the fact is, he hasn't yet. If Pominville goes the other way in a trade for the likes of a Nash, Getzlaf, Ryan, or player like that, you're not giving up on him. You're giving a very good asset to get a better one in return. In order to get a player of that caliber, you have to give an asset that "hurts" to lose. The likes of Sekera, Stafford, and the other popular names around here don't fit that bill. Pominville does.
- buffalofan19

First point: You cannot discount all the injuries this team had last year. Don't actually blame Pominville, but blame Regier for not having a deeper roster, either here or in the AHL to draw from.

Second point: Saying he hasn't led his team to victory yet is undervaluing all the strong, two-way play he has given his team over the years. And he's only been captain for one year. There are a couple dozen other captains right now in the NHL that haven't led their teams to victory either.