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bmoney411
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I don't care about being "better" . I care about building a cup contender." -Iggysbff, ON
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM ET
Definitely up there .....rugby (aussie rules football) and Hurling (Irish lacrosse) are brutal.
- The Law

Rugby only sport I ever got a concussion in. This was during a pratice too
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
Ah yes. Nashville would agree not to match only if they can trade those 4 first rounders back for something significant from the flyers roster that they can use now.
Who here thinks that this is how it will ultimately go down?

- LeafsOwnHabs

Me
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
Hockey, because of the speed, definitely has the more explosive contact. But the AFL is constant smashing. No whistles, breaks, faceoffs, line changes, pp's, etc... Much more hitting and contact overall and these guys are all huge.

Tough call ...debate worthy but they're both up there with stuff like Lacrosse, and Hurling.

- The Law

fair enough. I guess you dont know for sure until you played each sport
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
It's up to the owner and the banks.
- The Law



Okay let me put it this way.

For the next 4 years, they would have to pay Weber and Rinne a total of $84 million

Their ticket sales would be approx. 104 million. That leaves them with 20 million total to ice the rest of the team over 4 years just to break even.

Now what do you think?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
But we're talking about 1 year here. Which is pretty shortsighted for any business owner.
- Pecafan Fan

It's the same next year too, no?

Gonna be hilarious if weber sucks without Suter.


On the other hand, I just got a terrible image of Schenn reaching his potential beside Weber.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:33 PM ET
Suter Webers name came up in discussions at the trade deadline.

At the draft, Poille was working on a Weber deal. Philly grew impatient and they sent him an offer sheet.

Learn what an offer sheet is. He didnt lose Weber. He's not a Flyer yet...


He'll most likely match it.



- jbold


you just made fun of someone else for stating what would happen

fact is.. nobody knows at all.. there is no likely, there is no he wont or he will

we are all in the dark when it comes to nashville's intentions
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM ET
Okay let me put it this way.

For the next years, they would have to pay Weber and Rinne a total of $84 million

Their ticket sales would be approx. 104 million. That leaves them with 20 million total to ice the rest of the team over 4 years just to break even.

Now what do you think?

- faceto27


He could always match it, then trade him to a diff team just to say (frank) you to philly.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM ET
It's the same next year too, no?
- Feeling Glucky?


13 at the signature, and 13 July 1 2013 I believe.
Barx
Joined: 02.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM ET
Ah yes. Nashville would agree not to match only if they can trade those 4 first rounders back for something significant from the flyers roster that they can use now.
Who here thinks that this is how it will ultimately go down?

- LeafsOwnHabs

I could see them getting a package of draft picks and players.....if nashville doesnt sign him they are gonna need some players, coburn, vorachek,etc....
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM ET
i think the way it works is Nashville could say we'll match the offer sheet unless you take back two firsts in a trade for someone like Vorachek, schenn, couterier etc
- celata29


now thats an interesting thought

you want weber.. then we need to work out a deal or we will just match it
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:35 PM ET
It's the same next year too, no?

Gonna be hilarious if weber sucks without Suter.


On the other hand, I just got a terrible image of Schenn reaching his potential beside Weber.

- Feeling Glucky?


i dont think schenn would be playing with weber.. dont they have nearly identical styles of play?
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:35 PM ET
you just made fun of someone else for stating what would happen

fact is.. nobody knows at all.. there is no likely, there is no he wont or he will

we are all in the dark when it comes to nashville's intentions

- Dozzer

You're right, and that's why I listened to guys like Dreger and MacKenzie, who most likely know.


Not someone assuming and guessing on a hockey forum.
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM ET
now thats an interesting thought

you want weber.. then we need to work out a deal or we will just match it

- Dozzer

yeah i mean idk i just threw out the trade back two 1sts thing, not saying that's how it would work, just a scenario like that...you know?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM ET
I remember Schenn saying Weber was one of his idols.

(frank), if Ponger comes back, imagine that d-corps?

House of pain.
LeafsOwnHabs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.12.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM ET
He could always match it, then trade him to a diff team just to say (frank) you to philly.
- wolfos412


Next year...after paying him crazy millions in the first year of his contract in which they can NOT trade him.
ILoveLamp
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.01.2011

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
now thats an interesting thought

you want weber.. then we need to work out a deal or we will just match it

- Dozzer


I say, going forward, Nashville just offer sheets everyone on Philly's team. Simmonds, Schenn, Couts, Voracek. They'll all be coming up for renewals in the next few years. It'd be a funny war because Philly will eventually be tied down with Large deals, and Nashville could swoop in and steal players
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
i dont think schenn would be playing with weber.. dont they have nearly identical styles of play?
- Dozzer

Except weber is offensive and Schenn defensive. In a few years that can be an amazing d pairing.
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
Next year...after paying him crazy millions in the first year of his contract in which they can NOT trade him.
- LeafsOwnHabs


In 2 years then, I was JK anyway..
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
I remember Schenn saying Weber was one of his idols.

(frank), if Ponger comes back, imagine that d-corps?

House of pain.

- Feeling Glucky?



Schenn and Weber were roommates for one year
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
It's the same next year too, no?

Gonna be hilarious if weber sucks without Suter.


On the other hand, I just got a terrible image of Schenn reaching his potential beside Weber.

- Feeling Glucky?

What makes you think Schenn would play with Weber?

Philly has done everything to keep Schenn out of the top 4.

Besides, that D pairing would be terrible compared to the other pairings they could have.

Schenn isn't the type of player Suter is. No even close. Completely different styles.
maverickJ
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Earth, ON
Joined: 04.01.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
I remember Schenn saying Weber was one of his idols.

(frank), if Ponger comes back, imagine that d-corps?

House of pain.

- Feeling Glucky?


Lol very scary team to play against.
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Jul 20 @ 12:38 PM ET
You're right, and that's why I listened to guys like Dreger and MacKenzie, who most likely know.


Not someone assuming and guessing on a hockey forum.

- jbold



I'll wait for your apology in one weeks time


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 20 @ 12:38 PM ET
I say, going forward, Nashville just offer sheets everyone on Philly's team. Simmonds, Schenn, Couts, Voracek. They'll all be coming up for renewals in the next few years. It'd be a funny war because Philly will eventually be tied down with Large deals, and Nashville could swoop in and steal players
- ILoveLamp

Nashville looks primed for another rebuild after losing those 2. Offersheets are not advisable.
maverickJ
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Earth, ON
Joined: 04.01.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:38 PM ET
Except weber is offensive and Schenn defensive. In a few years that can be an amazing d pairing.
- Feeling Glucky?


Weber is more of a Two way kind of guy, he is good everywhere.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 20 @ 12:38 PM ET
Okay let me put it this way.

For the next years, they would have to pay Weber and Rinne a total of $84 million

Their ticket sales would be approx. 104 million. That leaves them with 20 million total to ice the rest of the team over 4 years just to break even.

Now what do you think?

- faceto27


I think Corporations get loans to finance investments everyday. It's 110 milly spread out over 14 years so it's more about structuring a loan to absorb the difficulty they'd have in meeting those initial payments. The last 13 years they'd only have about 6 milly per year in $$ commitment.

It won't be their money that's handed over to Weber. It'll be the banks. The cost is the interest to finance the loan.

Financially they have a decision to make ...they can probably do it ...but does it make sense? There will be a boardroom full of businessmen making that call.
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