Any way you cut this.......... Poile did a poor job of managing his assets.

He risked both Suter and Weber to free agency. When he didn't have either one signed by the trade deadline on extensions, it was THEN that he should have traded them and got some valuable assets in return.

No, Poile dropped the ball big time there. That franchise lost its two most valuable assets with nothing in return at the present.
- faceto27

Sure but what's the reason behind losing it? Money. That team isn't even a cap team, let alone a team like that Leafs that can afford to pay to the cap and still shove millionaire players in the minors just to get ride of their contracts.

You give Poile a budget like the Leafs and I would bet what little money I have that we'd be better off. How many times have they made the playoffs since the lockout? Six times out of seven?

I mean, not instantly better off, if he came in tomorrow we aren't Cup contenders. But he took a low-paying expansion franchise to being a constant playoffs presence. I think if he doesn't survive in Nashville (there's got to be some backlash for losing all these players, even if it isn't deserved) and Burke gets dumped if the Leafs miss the playoffs I would fully be on board bringing in Poile to tear this thing down and build it from the ground up.

Can they still negotiate a deal with Philly other then getting 4 late firsts? Sort of like the Gratton deal from years ago.
- LeafsOwnHabs

Yeah they can.

i had an aussie roomate who used to always talk about how ruff the AFL is,, but after watching youtube clips i dont think it comes close to hockey. There are lots of blindside hits and blatant attempts to injure but when they fall they land on grass not ice. They aren't moving as fast, and they dont fight so.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Hockey, because of the speed, definitely has the more explosive contact. But the AFL is constant smashing. No whistles, breaks, faceoffs, line changes, pp's, etc... Much more hitting and contact overall and these guys are all huge.

Tough call ...debate worthy but they're both up there with stuff like Lacrosse, and Hurling.

Maybe they are trying to see what kind of liquidity they have to see if they can even match the offer sheet.
- celata29

Nashville made 26 million in Ticket revenue last year. They would have to pay Weber $27 million in the first year alone.

Not going to happen. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue required for that kind of a contract

If they lose Weber, they get 4 1sts
- Feeling Glucky?

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Can they still negotiate a deal with Philly other then getting 4 late firsts? Sort of like the Gratton deal from years ago.
- LeafsOwnHabs

Would that allow Philly to renegotiate the contract terms?

Can they still negotiate a deal with Philply other then getting 4 late firsts? Sort of like the Gratton deal from years ago.
- LeafsOwnHabs

I wouldn't be surprised to see Pronger go to NSH, but if he doesn't they are going to have the most physically dominating D in the league.

Can they still negotiate a deal with Philly other then getting 4 late firsts? Sort of like the Gratton deal from years ago.
- LeafsOwnHabs

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to be honest i dont know.. i dont think so now.. cause once an offer sheet is signed you cant trade a player

technically nashville doesnt own his rights either.. he isnt actually under contract

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- Barx

Yea, thought dreger said something about it being less

If the Preds were going to match, they would have already done so
- faceto27

You're basing your opinion off that?!?!?!


Because they haven't done it yet, means they wont do it at all?!

I wouldn't be surprised to see Pronger go to NSH, but if he doesn't they are going to have the most physically dominating D in the league.
- maverickJ

Is Pronger coming back?

Nashville made 26 million in Ticket revenue last year. They would have to pay Weber $27 million in the first year alone.

Not going to happen. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue required for that kind of a contract
- faceto27

It's up to the owner and the banks.

Would that allow Philly to renegotiate the contract terms?
- Feeling Glucky?

no, they have verbal provisions in place such as a NMC which kick into effect once deal is consummated, but it can't be restructured.

Would that allow Philly to renegotiate the contract terms?
- Feeling Glucky?

I don't think so. It would be an after the fact deal technically. Otherwise they could just trade Weber anywhere right?

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to be honest i dont know.. i dont think so now.. cause once an offer sheet is signed you cant trade a player

technically nashville doesnt own his rights either.. he isnt actually under contract
- Dozzer

They cannot renegoitate the contract offer.

They can still make a trade. It cannot involve Weber though. They can, and probably will make a trade involving all those 4 first rounders.

Philly did the same thing with Gratton and Tampa Bay back in 97

Any way you cut this.......... Poile did a poor job of managing his assets.

He risked both Suter and Weber to free agency. When he didn't have either one signed by the trade deadline on extensions, it was THEN that he should have traded them and got some valuable assets in return.

No, Poile dropped the ball big time there. That franchise lost its two most valuable assets with nothing in return at the present.
- faceto27

Suter Webers name came up in discussions at the trade deadline.

At the draft, Poille was working on a Weber deal. Philly grew impatient and they sent him an offer sheet.

Learn what an offer sheet is. He didnt lose Weber. He's not a Flyer yet...


He'll most likely match it.

Nashville made 26 million in Ticket revenue last year. They would have to pay Weber $27 million in the first year alone.

Not going to happen. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue required for that kind of a contract
- faceto27

Revenue sharing.

Is Pronger coming back?
- Feeling Glucky?

nope. he's done.

Nashville made 26 million in Ticket revenue last year. They would have to pay Weber $27 million in the first year alone.

Not going to happen. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue required for that kind of a contract
- faceto27

Don't they have some 5% owner though that said that money wouldn't be a problem? Idk I'm just trying to make sense of it.

Is Pronger coming back?
- Feeling Glucky?

Maybe not, this could be why they made the deal eh. But if he does

Nashville made 26 million in Ticket revenue last year. They would have to pay Weber $27 million in the first year alone.

Not going to happen. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue required for that kind of a contract
- faceto27

But we're talking about 1 year here. Which is pretty shortsighted for any business owner.

They cannot renegoitate the contract offer.

They can still make a trade. It cannot involve Weber though. They can, and probably will make a trade involving all those 4 first rounders.

Philly did the same thing with Gratton and Tampa Bay back in 97
- faceto27

Ah yes. Nashville would agree not to match only if they can trade those 4 first rounders back for something significant from the flyers roster that they can use now.
Who here thinks that this is how it will ultimately go down?

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to be honest i dont know.. i dont think so now.. cause once an offer sheet is signed you cant trade a player

technically nashville doesnt own his rights either.. he isnt actually under contract
- Dozzer

i think the way it works is Nashville could say we'll match the offer sheet unless you take back two firsts in a trade for someone like Vorachek, schenn, couterier etc

They cannot renegoitate the contract offer.

They can still make a trade. It cannot involve Weber though. They can, and probably will make a trade involving all those 4 first rounders.

Philly did the same thing with Gratton and Tampa Bay back in 97
- faceto27

yeah but the CBA rules are different then when that happened no?

Revenue sharing.
- wolfos412

exactly.
the leafs will be paying doans contract as soon as phoenix pretends its going to have a team.