I could live with Voracek and Meszaros and 2 1st rounders. I could live(it'd be tough, but I could) with the Schenns going with 2 firsts, as Bill suggested.

The latter deal would basically be the deal I suggested back around the TDL(JvR, Schenn & 2 1sts for Weber)
- Jsaquella

I won't be happy with the situation as it is, with the Flyers giving up Brayden Schenn. Actually, I'll be pissed. I think he is going to be a flat out stud. And sooner then later.

I could live with Voracek and Meszaros and 2 1st rounders. I could live(it'd be tough, but I could) with the Schenns going with 2 firsts, as Bill suggested.

The latter deal would basically be the deal I suggested back around the TDL(JvR, Schenn & 2 1sts for Weber)
- Jsaquella

i don't like either of those. Someone mentioned Simmonds before, I'd trade him before Jake if at all possible. 2 Schenns off limits for me.

Buy Did Luke ever have a presser? If not, you could be on to something.

Then Nashville should have no problem matching this offer. I still think the Flyers have the advantage and I see no need to cave. Would I like to have Weber? Yes, but its not the end of the world if they match the offer sheet.
- stveshdy

I don't think there is any question that Nashville's ownership has the money to match the offer. They absolutley have the personal wealth to do it. If we go on the assumption that this OS wasn't some pre-planned move between Poile and Holmgren, I think the cost of matching and whether or not those who supply the team's sources of capital will agree to foot the bill for it is a major question mark. It's likely more than they anticipated coming up with in the near term. If the team is already losing millions, as reported, while they had both Weber and Suter, it's likely to lose more money having only Weber and his huge new deal, plus having to pay Rinne 7 million now, and needing to bring on more players to get to the cap floor. Basically these millionaires and the local government have to agree to invest and be willing to lose a lot of money over the next few years in hopes for a better situation later. Most wealthy people are wealthy because they make good business decisions. With the economic outlook uncertain to say the least, that massive outlay of cash for Weber's deal doesn't sound like a good business decision for the Preds ownership imo. Now, if a guy like Brett Wilson (a super wealthy Canadian who bought in in 2011) steps up and says "screw it, I'll just put up the money", knowing that he's likely going to wait a long time if at all to see a return (unless he uses his growing leverage to take the team to Canada), then that's a different story.

I won't be happy with the situation as it is, with the Flyers giving up Brayden Schenn. Actually, I'll be pissed. I think he is going to be a flat out stud. And sooner then later.
- MJL

I agree completely

I won't be happy with the situation as it is, with the Flyers giving up Brayden Schenn. Actually, I'll be pissed. I think he is going to be a flat out stud. And sooner then later.
- MJL

I believe Homer agrees with your assessment of Schenn, hence the offer sheet was launched, very confident coots and schenn will be cornerstones for many years to come.

i don't like either of those. Someone mentioned Simmonds before, I'd trade him before Jake if at all possible. 2 Schenns off limits for me.

Buy Did Luke ever have a presser? If not, you could be on to something.
- wilsonecho91

I havent even heard any comments from Luke about the trade...

I don't think there is any question that Nashville's ownership has the money to match the offer. They absolutley have the personal wealth to do it. If we go on the assumption that this OS wasn't some pre-planned move between Poile and Holmgren, I think the cost of matching and whether or not those who supply the team's sources of capital will agree to foot the bill for it is a major question mark. It's likely more than they anticipated coming up with in the near term. If the team is already losing millions, as reported, while they had both Weber and Suter, it's likely to lose more money having only Weber and his huge new deal, plus having to pay Rinne 7 million now, and needing to bring on more players to get to the cap floor. Basically these millionaires and the local government have to agree to invest and be willing to lose a lot of money over the next few years in hopes for a better situation later. Most wealthy people are wealthy because they make good business decisions. With the economic outlook uncertain to say the least, that massive outlay of cash for Weber's deal doesn't sound like a good business decision for the Preds ownership imo. Now, if a guy like Brett Wilson (a super wealthy Canadian who bought in in 2011) steps up and says "screw it, I'll just put up the money", knowing that he's likely going to wait a long time if at all to see a return (unless he uses his growing leverage to take the team to Canada), then that's a different story.
- phantasm

"Now the Predators are faced with a huge financial gamble.

With the threat of a work stoppage looming, Weber will collect a minimum of $26 million in the next 11 months. That's a staggering amount of money for any team to absorb with so much uncertainty. But for the Predators - largely a budget-tight team – that hit them both in the short-term and long-term." Dreger

"Now the Predators are faced with a huge financial gamble.

With the threat of a work stoppage looming, Weber will collect a minimum of $26 million in the next 11 months. That's a staggering amount of money for any team to absorb with so much uncertainty. But for the Predators - largely a budget-tight team – that hit them both in the short-term and long-term." Dreger
- stveshdy

boomgoesthedollar

"Now the Predators are faced with a huge financial gamble.

With the threat of a work stoppage looming, Weber will collect a minimum of $26 million in the next 11 months. That's a staggering amount of money for any team to absorb with so much uncertainty. But for the Predators - largely a budget-tight team – that hit them both in the short-term and long-term." Dreger
- stveshdy

you ever quote dreger again, and i will hunt you down and soul kiss you

boomgoesthedollar
- bigmookalookie

you ever quote dreger again, and i will hunt you down and soul kiss you
- watsonnostaw

I think Weber gets traded after the year is up to Atlanta.

That's why my hopes are not too high. I'm as excited as anyone, but I refuse to get too pumped about it until it's finalized.
- Jsaquella

That my friend is a wise move. Every so often the past two days I have found myself in euphoria and I've got to tone it down. I want this to happen so badly, which inevitably means that it Nashville will match it in the most painful manner for a Flyers fan.

That my friend is a wise move. Every so often the past two days I have found myself in euphoria and I've got to tone it down. I want this to happen so badly, which inevitably means that it Nashville will match it in the most painful manner for a Flyers fan.
- Flyers1218

Keep expectations low this way you can't be disappointed.

Keep expectations low this way you can't be disappointed.
- stveshdy

thats what she said.... ahhhhhhhhh cha cha cha cha cha

That my friend is a wise move. Every so often the past two days I have found myself in euphoria and I've got to tone it down. I want this to happen so badly, which inevitably means that it Nashville will match it in the most painful manner for a Flyers fan.
- Flyers1218

If you don't want them to get your goat, don't show 'em where it's hid

They still have to reach the floor. They are going to have to give out this money regardless. Maybe now they pay probably a bit more then they'd want to, but they are still have 14 million to hit the floor.

All I'm saying is there is still a really solid chance Nashville matches, if i had to put a number on it. It's 60% Nashville, 40% Philly at this point.
- _Zippy_

They sign Weber and they still need to spend 6.2MM to get to the cap floor. So that puts them at, oh say, 33.2 MM next year just to reach the cap floor by matching the offer. Versus them paying 14 million. The cap floor argument holds no water. Why would a cash strapped team who is furthest from the cap floor who is known for not spending money, retain a player they can't afford and pay him 27 million dollars in less than 1 year plus another 6.2 million when they could just add a few players for the 14 million or make a trade for a Paul Martin or J-Bo type player? That theory makes ZERO sense.

Sorry - but people do not become millionaires by pissing away money and just because they are now millionaires does not necessarily mean they resort to pissing away money. I'm not buying it.
- moylander

Most people do not own sports teams, especially in the NHL, to make a profit.

You know what also says trouble?

Losing your top two defensemen in one off season and kissing all future revenues good bye as they would have to go into total rebuild, probably with mediocre 20-30 draft picks.
- _Zippy_

You know what also says trouble? Re-signing a player you can't afford because your ownership completely (frank)ed up it's dealings with their top two players and now trying to show they have balls when they clearly should walk away because this deal is going to put a team, that lost 7 million dollars all while making it to the second round of the playoffs, out of business for good. As I said, Nashville has a decision to make. Neither of them is good. As for a 12% billionaire owner, is he really going to shell out the money necessary and then take losses for his ROI, with the knowledge that the team will never sell him a majority stake? That screams bad business.

First off, why would Philly do that.

They can just give seemingly worthless picks that won't be ready for at least two years, instead of throwing in proven NHL players.

Without Weber they are practically guaranteeing they aren't competitive, with Weber they can still be a very competitive team.
- _Zippy_

I'm sorry, but since when is ANY 1st round pick a worthless pick? That thinking right there is utterly flawed.

Final offer to Preds(If I think we have a shot at Doan):

Voracek
Meszaros
2014 1st round pick
2013 3rd round pick

Final offer to Preds(If I think we have a shot at Doan):

Voracek
Meszaros
2014 1st round pick
2013 3rd round pick
- jstross

Why a 3rd, if they say no to that I give them another first.

Theres so many factors to look at about the offer sheet and do they match.... But some things which are so bizarre did anyone think his agent was alittle strong on saying there leaning on the flyers.. i know thats the point they signed the offer sheet but i dont know.. another is the Preds were told about the offer sheet... and then tried to trade him to several teams doesnt anyone think that should be a telling sign.... i mean if they were told about the offer sheet and were gonna match why would they then try to trade him.. just seems odd to me i dont know if anyone else thinks this way... just seems to me to be the telling sign...but theres soo many scenarios so who knows
- Slammed81

I mentioned that earlier and that is the key everyone is ignoring. If the Preds were going to match "any offer sheet" and this was so great for Nashville, then why in the world would Poile spend his entire Wednesday working on a deal? Why not let the offer sheet roll in and then match it Thursday? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MATCH AND THE FLYERS, WEBER, HIS AGENTS, and most of all NASHVILLE know it. You don't try to trade your franchise defenseman due to the threat of an offer sheet unless you already know that team has called your bluff.

Why a 3rd, if they say no to that I give them another first.
- Richieattack18

I'm not equating voracek to a 2016 1st rd pick. I just won't do it. Mezsaros is worth a lot more than a 2015 1st rd pick as well.

However, they will also have revenue coming in that will go towards him. Keep in mind they only have to pay him a one million dollar salary the upcoming season after the bonus. Ample time to save up money, they could put that money towards a Shea Weber bank account.
- _Zippy_

Only towards him? Huh? What seems to be evading you is that Nashville needs to put 19 other players on the ice and pay a host of other expenses. All of their revenue can't be placed strictly in the Pay Shea account.

Speaking of dreaming. If the Flyers traded Voracek and Meszaros for Weber. Place Pronger on LTIR. Signed Doan for 6M. They'd still have 2.9M to play with on the Cap.
- MJL

I love it MJL... I knew you had a speculative side that could dream. More of this out of you pleaaaaaase.