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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:23 PM ET
19 days less then a full year. Call it what it is. They need 13M to match the deal right now. No more.
- MJL


So the rest of the guaranteed money means nothing? Got it.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:23 PM ET
Meszaros is better than a late 1. I put him at a late 1 and late 3.

Laughton is a 1, but a 1 that hits the rink 4 years earlier for your franchise than the 2016 #1

So you get Meszaros and Laughton now instead of a firs in 2015 and 2016.

the 2013 first rd pick is the same.

the 2014 3rd, MAB and the extra value on the Meszaros swap is the 205 #1, but we have them take Walker to clear our books and give them $ towards the floor.

Is that understandable?

- jstross

Yeah I'm all for it, i'm just not sure Nashville does it.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 20 @ 11:23 PM ET
Theres so many factors to look at about the offer sheet and do they match.... But some things which are so bizarre did anyone think his agent was alittle strong on saying there leaning on the flyers.. i know thats the point they signed the offer sheet but i dont know.. another is the Preds were told about the offer sheet... and then tried to trade him to several teams doesnt anyone think that should be a telling sign.... i mean if they were told about the offer sheet and were gonna match why would they then try to trade him.. just seems odd to me i dont know if anyone else thinks this way... just seems to me to be the telling sign...but theres soo many scenarios so who knows
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:24 PM ET
So the rest of the guaranteed money means nothing? Got it.
- stveshdy


Didn't come close to saying that.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:24 PM ET
Didn't come close to saying that.
- MJL


Well thats the investment. You cant leave that part out. Thats something that has to be paid at some point for a small market team.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:26 PM ET
Theres so many factors to look at about the offer sheet and do they match.... But some things which are so bizarre did anyone think his agent was alittle strong on saying there leaning on the flyers.. i know thats the point they signed the offer sheet but i dont know.. another is the Preds were told about the offer sheet... and then tried to trade him to several teams doesnt anyone think that should be a telling sign.... i mean if they were told about the offer sheet and were gonna match why would they then try to trade him.. just seems odd to me i dont know if anyone else thinks this way... just seems to me to be the telling sign...but theres soo many scenarios so who knows
- Slammed81


There are many things that can happen. The good thing is we dont have to wait that much longer.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 11:27 PM ET
Well thats the investment. You cant leave that part out. Thats something that has to be paid at some point for a small market team.
- stveshdy


However, they will also have revenue coming in that will go towards him. Keep in mind they only have to pay him a one million dollar salary the upcoming season after the bonus. Ample time to save up money, they could put that money towards a Shea Weber bank account.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:27 PM ET
Well thats the investment. You cant leave that part out. Thats something that has to be paid at some point for a small market team.
- stveshdy


Of course it is. But they have time to get the funds together. Right now, they need 13M to match. It's part of the picture of their ability to match the offer. Like I've said numerous times. It is about far more then just the financial ability to match the deal.

Like I said before. I have the money to buy a new boat. Doesn't mean that's the smart thing to do for me and my family and our financial picture.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:27 PM ET
There are many things that can happen. The good thing is we dont have to wait that much longer.
- stveshdy

I hope not, this poop is killing me
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 11:28 PM ET
If the Flyers are going to trade Voracek and Meszaros in the deal then Nashville only gets one more first rounder and not in 2013, but that's just me. I really believe people under value Voracek.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 11:28 PM ET
There are many things that can happen. The good thing is we dont have to wait that much longer.
- stveshdy


As a Devils fan, I don't want to see him in Philly as well. However, I hope it could be a knee jerk reaction for the Devils to upgrade their offense.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 20 @ 11:28 PM ET
There are many things that can happen. The good thing is we dont have to wait that much longer.
- stveshdy

aprrox 5 days now or sooner i would think by sunday they would tell us but who knows
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:29 PM ET
If the Flyers are going to trade Voracek and Meszaros in the deal then Nashville only gets one more first rounder and not in 2013, but that's just me. I really believe people under value Voracek.
- jstross


I agree with that.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:29 PM ET
However, they will also have revenue coming in that will go towards him. Keep in mind they only have to pay him a one million dollar salary the upcoming season after the bonus. Ample time to save up money, they could put that money towards a Shea Weber bank account.
- _Zippy_


That bonus money is still hard to pay for a team that was losing money last year with Weber and Suter on its roster. I'm not trying to be a "homer" here and not see both sides but it doesnt seem like a good long term investment for the Preds to match this offer, IMO.
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jul 20 @ 11:29 PM ET
aprrox 5 days now or sooner i would think by sunday they would tell us but who knows
- Slammed81

predators will match for no other reason than to reach the cap floor
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:31 PM ET
predators will match for no other reason than to reach the cap floor
- watsonnostaw


If that happens then so be it. Good luck.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 11:31 PM ET
I agree with that.
- MJL

Let's call Holmgren and Poulie nd get it done, LOL.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 11:32 PM ET
predators will match for no other reason than to reach the cap floor
- watsonnostaw


A lot more reasons that that, but that will be one of the primary reasons.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 11:32 PM ET
Matt Brigidi ‏@mattbrigidi

According to John Gambadoro, Shane Doan will be visiting the Flyers tomorrow. It will be his second visit after meeting with the Rangers
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 20 @ 11:33 PM ET
kinda stupid for nashville to make their fan base wait no? would have been better public relations to match and move on
- watsonnostaw



Not necessarily. Match quickly, and the fans think that was easy and more is to come. Match next week, and make a speech about how incredibly wrenching it was and how at the end they could not let the fans down. Then, the fans cheer, and ownership has enough goodwill to scrap along and reach the floor this year and no one blames them for not doing anything more.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:33 PM ET
Matt Brigidi ‏@mattbrigidi

According to John Gambadoro, Shane Doan will be visiting the Flyers tomorrow. It will be his second visit after meeting with the Rangers

- Jsaquella


Thanks. I guess what I was reading was smoke screens. They said he wanted to stay out West but I guess maybe he is open to the East as well.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:34 PM ET
Matt Brigidi ‏@mattbrigidi

According to John Gambadoro, Shane Doan will be visiting the Flyers tomorrow. It will be his second visit after meeting with the Rangers

- Jsaquella


I think Doan will get close to $6 million/yr for at least three years. Somewhere Fehr is just smiliing.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 11:34 PM ET
Thanks. I guess what I was reading was smoke screens. They said he wanted to stay out West but I guess maybe he is open to the East as well.
- stveshdy


I think if he leaves Phoenix, it's to a team with a good shot to win.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 11:35 PM ET
I think if he leaves Phoenix, it's to a team with a good shot to win.
- Jsaquella


A lot is going to depend on Weber. Now if the Flyers make a trade maybe they free up enough money to add Doan (or if they miss on Weber).
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 11:36 PM ET
I think Doan will get close to $6 million/yr for at least three years. Somewhere Fehr is just smiliing.
- ravishingone


If the Flyers end up with Weber and Doan, they can tear down Billy Penn and put a statue of Holmgren's Balls on top of city hall
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