I think there is a general idea of the franchises worth and income. But actual numbers are not public. Nor is all of the cash flow available to the owners. There's a lot of information that the public is not privy to. Were going round and round here.
- MJL

Then Nashville should have no problem matching this offer. I still think the Flyers have the advantage and I see no need to cave. Would I like to have Weber? Yes, but its not the end of the world if they match the offer sheet.

The more we discuss the more I think Nasshville matches or Philly trades too many assets for Weber.
- jstross

So let's stop discussing it, then.

I wouldn't trade Voracek, Meszaros and 2 first rd picks for Weber. IMO that's the equivalent of 4 first rounders and 2 3rd rounders.
- jstross

If I were a Flyers fan, I would but not if you can just have Weber for four first round picks.

I wouldn't trade Voracek, Meszaros and 2 first rd picks for Weber.
- jstross

I would, if it guaranteed that Nashville wouldn't match the offer sheet. It's a lot more agreeable to me than trading the Schenn brothers & 2 1st rounders.

Obviously the best case for the Flyers is for Nashville to simply not match, but that might not fly.

The Flyers may well offer a trade like that for several reasons:
1. To entice the Preds to agree not to match

2. To free up enough cap room to add Weber and address other needs.

3. To make the whole process as palatable to the NHL as possible.

The Preds can still be competitive without Weber, assuming they use the assets they get via the Flyers to fill immediate holes. If they're paying Weber and Rine so much that they can't build a competitive team around them, the fans will stop coming.
- Jsaquella

In your scenario I woud say Voracek Meszaros a 2014 1st and 2013 3rd is as far as I'd go.

So let's stop discussing it, then.
- feelingkettle

That's rich.

Then Nashville should have no problem matching this offer. I still think the Flyers have the advantage and I see no need to cave. Would I like to have Weber? Yes, but its not the end of the world if they match the offer sheet.
- stveshdy

Like I've said numerous times. It's about far more then having the financial ability to match the offer. I've asked you this question numerous times. How much cash does Nashville need to match the offer right now?

If they don't match, and trade 2 of the picks back to Philly for Voracek and Meszaros, that's as big or bigger in terms of cap hit than Weber. Then trade another first for Jay Bouwmeester. Then they're at or near the floor and still a pretty competitive team

The flip side is, how many people in Nashville will pay to see a team that isn;t competitive, just because it has Weber and Rinne?
- Jsaquella

This ^^^^

With weber and rinne eating up $20+ million in actual $ each of the next 6 seasons will Nashvillle be able to field a competitive team moving forward? Especially when they made $26 million in ticket sales and ultimately netted a loss of $7.5 million last season. Weber + Suter made $11 million combined last season. Now just weber will make $14.

In that case, they are getting something of quality out of losing Weber, rather than four first round picks that probably aren't going to be anything good.

They get a top six forward and basically a Weber-lite. But even then, this is all pure speculation.
- _Zippy_

It is. That's kind of the purpose of a rumor website

But seriously, if the Flyers think the Preds will match, I'm sure they will be willing to make it easier for them to not match.

I still think it's 50-50, and it's why I'm not getting too excited. There's a ton of valid reasons why the Preds will match. There's tons of valid reasons they won't.

I would, if it guaranteed that Nashville wouldn't match the offer sheet. It's a lot more agreeable to me than trading the Schenn brothers & 2 1st rounders.

Obviously the best case for the Flyers is for Nashville to simply not match, but that might not fly.
- Jsaquella

It all comes down to who blinks first. The offer sheet the Flyers put out for Weber was done to perfection. The Flyers put all the pressure on Nashville at this point IMO.

man ive flip flopped atleast 12 times in the last 48 hrs on the weber deal

I would, if it guaranteed that Nashville wouldn't match the offer sheet. It's a lot more agreeable to me than trading the Schenn brothers & 2 1st rounders.

Obviously the best case for the Flyers is for Nashville to simply not match, but that might not fly.
- Jsaquella

I guess my point is there is no quid pro quo that 1 player = 1 1st rd pick. A 22 year old 50 pt scoring 22 year old forward is worth a heck of a lot more than a 2016 1st rd pick. IMO.

Like I've said numerous times. It's about far more then having the financial ability to match the offer. I've asked you this question numerous times. How much cash does Nashville need to match the offer right now?
- MJL

They would need enough money to pay Weber the guaranteed money (signing bonus). So to answer your question 26M in less than a year and 80M over 6 years.

Now is there any guarantee that Nashville wont get near the same revenue in ticket prices without Weber there?

There's a far greater chance they lose money when they lose Weber. Unless ownership or management feels very confident with the team they have, I certainly would not looking at the roster, they have to match that deal.
- _Zippy_

Zip, ownership is weighing would it be prudent to put all that money in one player or multiple players who have good talent already on the roster who will need raises over the next two years? Again, I don't know the in-depth financials, key questions I can't answer is the debt load of the franchise right now and the terms to repay that debt load.

I think there is a general idea of the franchises worth and income. But actual numbers are not public. Nor is all of the cash flow available to the owners. There's a lot of information that the public is not privy to. Were going round and round here.
- MJL

All those numbers by Forbes are merely estimates. While they are usually pretty good, there's no guaranteeing they are right or close to right.

I still think a lot of people are oblivious to the money the minority owner of the Predators has.

They would need enough money to pay Weber the guaranteed money (signing bonus). So to answer your question 26M in less than a year and 80M over 6 years.
- stveshdy

That's not the correct answer to the question. To match the offer right now, they need 13M. That's it. They have almost a full calendar year, until the next bonus payment is due.

That's not the correct answer to the question. To match the offer right now, they need 13M. That's it. They have almost a full calendar year, until the next bonus payment is due.
- MJL

They have less than a full calender year. They have to pay him 26M in less than 365 days. Whether there is hockey or not.

In your scenario I woud say Voracek Meszaros a 2014 1st and 2013 3rd is as far as I'd go.
- jstross

I'd be open to a lot of different scenarios. I like Jake and Meszaros. But if I could guarantee Weber in a Flyers jersey for them and 2 1sts, I ask if Poile wants me to drive them down to Nashville.

The key for Nashville has to be to manage to remain a competitive team. If they can win games and make the playoffs without Weber, by using the assets gained for him for immediate help, that could be long term replacements, it may be the best long term move.

The biggest thing for the Flyers is not to get creamed into overpaying. Prior to the offer sheet, I would have been OK with Voracek, Meszaros and 2 1sts for Weber.

Like I've said numerous times. It's about far more then having the financial ability to match the offer. I've asked you this question numerous times. How much cash does Nashville need to match the offer right now?
- MJL

All those numbers by Forbes are merely estimates. While they are usually pretty good, there's no guaranteeing they are right or close to right.

I still think a lot of people are oblivious to the money the minority owner of the Predators has.
- _Zippy_

Exactly. But apparently a chart posted on the internet here, has the full financial picture of the Preds. Top financial people can play so many games with numbers.

That's not the correct answer to the question. To match the offer right now, they need 13M. That's it. They have almost a full calendar year, until the next bonus payment is due.
- MJL

he said 26 mil in "less than a year"

you said 26 mil in "almost a year"

All those numbers by Forbes are merely estimates. While they are usually pretty good, there's no guaranteeing they are right or close to right.

I still think a lot of people are oblivious to the money the minority owner of the Predators has.
- _Zippy_

Sorry - but people do not become millionaires by pissing away money and just because they are now millionaires does not necessarily mean they resort to pissing away money. I'm not buying it.

They have less than a full calender year. They have to pay him 26M in less than 365 days. Whether there is hockey or not.
- stveshdy

19 days less then a full year. Call it what it is. They need 13M to match the deal right now. No more.

he said 26 mil in "less than a year"

you said 26 mil in "almost a year"



- Crimsoninja

All those numbers by Forbes are merely estimates. While they are usually pretty good, there's no guaranteeing they are right or close to right.

I still think a lot of people are oblivious to the money the minority owner of the Predators has.
- _Zippy_

No, were oblivious to the amount of money the minority owner wants to pony up.