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Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:40 PM ET
Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Nashville can use full 7 days to decide whether to match Weber's offer sheet, but, I suspect decision has been made.

- stveshdy

Dun Dun Dun
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:40 PM ET
Yep. I mentioned that earlier on. Of course the Blues lost Stevens a year later for another offer sheet
- Jsaquella


They lost him because they offered Shanahan an offer sheet. They were required to give the Devils four first round picks, but those picks were given to Washington for Stevens. Blues offered Brind'Amour CuJo and two first round picks, but the Devils only wanted Stevens, they took it to an arbitrator and the Devils won.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:40 PM ET
amen to that
- isaiah520


That said, when if it does come to pass, the good Comcast customers of the Southern NJ region will have some shoddy service that day
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:40 PM ET
I would say Voracek has shown more in his career with points, ability to PK, then JVR has to warrant an extension in the $4 million range. This is coming from a huge JVR believer.
- ravishingone


Problem is JvR signed that price for six years I believe. The Flyers I think would be willing to spend that money if Voracek signed long-term and not on a one year deal.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:41 PM ET
They lost him because they offered Shanahan an offer sheet. They were required to give the Devils four first round picks, but those picks were given to Washington for Stevens. Blues offered Brind'Amour CuJo and two first round picks, but the Devils only wanted Stevens, they took it to an arbitrator and the Devils won.
- _Zippy_


Yep. I recall the circumstances. The Blues were despised by other GMs at the time.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:41 PM ET
It may well be. There's valid reasons to drag it out no matter what the decision is.

IIRC the Canucks only took 3 days to match the sheet to Kesler.

- Jsaquella


I think we get the answer by Sunday. Something will leak out at that point. My guess that is.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:41 PM ET
Ok, here's the deal. Meszaros, MAB, Laughton, 2013 1st, 2014 3rd and they have to take walker.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:42 PM ET
It's been a bit hard. Talked to my brother in law for awhile tonight...he's fired up
- Jsaquella


Hard not to get excited, Weber is Pronger in his prime with Al MacInnis shot from the point. It is interesting how Homer has tried to keep most of his young talent in the fold, I think if Clarkie was in charge, a trade may have been more likely for Weber. Who can forget the Adam Oates trade?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:42 PM ET
I would say Voracek has shown more in his career with points, ability to PK, then JVR has to warrant an extension in the $4 million range. This is coming from a huge JVR believer.
- ravishingone



Oshie just received $4 mill a year for 5 years, there's your market.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:42 PM ET
Ok, here's the deal. Meszaros, MAB, Laughton, 2013 1st, 2014 3rd and they hve to take walker.
- jstross

why would they take this instead of four 1sts?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:43 PM ET
Problem is JvR signed that price for six years I believe. The Flyers I think would be willing to spend that money if Voracek signed long-term and not on a one year deal.
- stveshdy


Understood, Oshie's deal is a very good framwork for a Voracek deal. I really don't think the Flyers want to deal Voracek.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:44 PM ET
Oshie just received $4 mill a year for 5 years, there's your market.
- puckhead17


Oshie and Perron have pretty much set Voracek's window on a multi-year deal.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:44 PM ET
why would they take this instead of four 1sts?
- Crimsoninja


Meszaros and Laughton ARE first rounders!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:45 PM ET
Dustin Leed‏@D_LEED

Dreger says Nashville made $26-million in gate receipt and tix revenue last season. Now imagine an employer giving that to one employee, hah

Dustin Leed‏@D_LEED

And that's just in bonuses... Depending on work stoppage, Weber gets paid no matter what. Tough stuff for a team that isn't used to spending
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:45 PM ET
That said, when if it does come to pass, the good Comcast customers of the Southern NJ region will have some shoddy service that day
- Jsaquella

puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:46 PM ET
Oshie and Perron have pretty much set Voracek's window on a multi-year deal.
- Jsaquella


very comparable players

can't see him going anywhere unsigned either
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:46 PM ET
Oshie and Perron have pretty much set Voracek's window on a multi-year deal.
- Jsaquella


I would be fine if Voracek signed for 4M per year if the contract is 4-5 years long.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:46 PM ET
Dustin Leed‏@D_LEED

Dreger says Nashville made $26-million in gate receipt and tix revenue last season. Now imagine an employer giving that to one employee, hah

Dustin Leed‏@D_LEED

And that's just in bonuses... Depending on work stoppage, Weber gets paid no matter what. Tough stuff for a team that isn't used to spending

- stveshdy


This 26 million thing is blown out of proportion. He's only getting 14 million this year and if the season continues on schedule, next years revenues go towards him. If not, rollback would cut his costs. That plus the fact that they to reach the cap floor regardless. Plus one of the minority owners of the Predators is apparently one of the richest people in Canada, Brett Wilson...

Without Weber, they can kiss any kind of revenue good bye.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:46 PM ET
why would they take this instead of four 1sts?
- Crimsoninja

Meszaros is better than a late 1st. he's a 1st and 3rd with $4 million towards the floor and he'll help day 1.

Laughton has a year under his belt. a 2016 1st rd pick is 4 years away.

They keep the 2013 #1

The last piece is a downgrade from a 1st rd to 3rd for MAB and the extra 3rd I believe Meszaros is worth. i.e. MAB and 2 3rds insteaad of a 1.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:47 PM ET

- isaiah520


Hi, This is Comcast.....SHEA (frank)ING WEBER!!!! WOOO"

Then I strip naked and hump their mailbox. This is not likely to end well for me on a personal level
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:47 PM ET
Ok, here's the deal. Meszaros, MAB, Laughton, 2013 1st, 2014 3rd and they have to take walker.
- jstross


I'd offer Voracek, Meszaros, Bourdon, & maybe another minor leaguer for a few picks back not much more.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:48 PM ET
Meszaros and Laughton ARE first rounders!
- Jsaquella

Not Bourdon or Walker though
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:48 PM ET
I'd offer Voracek, Meszaros, Bourdon, & maybe another minor leaguer for a few picks back not much more.
- ob18


I would consider Simmonds over Voracek, I think he has more upside.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:48 PM ET
This 26 million thing is blown out of proportion. He's only getting 14 million next year and if the season continues on schedule, next years revenues go towards him. If not, rollback would cut his costs. That plus the fact that they to reach the cap floor regardless. Plus one of the minority owners of the Predators is apparently one of the richest people in Canada.

Without Weber, they can kiss any kind of revenue good bye.

- _Zippy_


Hes getting 26M in 346 days. Thats a lot of money.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:49 PM ET
I would consider Simmonds over Voracek, I think he has more upside.
- puckhead17


I've been stuck with the names I gave since yesterday.
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