I asked that a lot to media yesterday all I could get was he won't have a NTC but nothing about a NMC and some here yesterday kept saying with anger a offer sheet was not allowed to contain either of those clauses.
- ob18

Yeah, I pointed it out to Larry Brooks and he sent me kind of a snide DM. So I tweeted the CBA clause back to him

See my post above. The Media for the most part is clueless about the CBA. Especially the local media.
- MJL

I asked any media even those at TSN, I figured it had to be involved especially in a deal of this length.

Yeah, I pointed it out to Larry Brooks and he sent me kind of a
snide DM. So I tweeted the CBA clause back to him
- Jsaquella

I wasn't sure about it but kept thinking it had to be included.

do you think ANYTHING is done in this league without a side conversation?
- hammarby31

I wasn't sure about it but kept thinking it had to be included.
- ob18

I did too, at first. In my defense, I read the CBA at 3 am when I was dead tired.

it definitely seems like that would be the best way to accomplish that goal

but i'm pretty sure the agent said also said something along the lines of we knew it was over when ryan left..... don't remember exactly and maybe i'm wrong

just saying, even if waiting would have made more sense, the comments definitely make it seem like he wants out
- FlyerMike18

One of Weber's Agents also said this.

http://www.philly.com/phi...fer_sheet.html?page=2&c=y

Epp, the agent, acknowledged that Weber would enjoy becoming a Flyer, but that he would still feel comfortable if he returned to Nashville.

"He's had a successful career in Nashville and it's home, so it's not a place where he doesn't think he can't finish his career," Epp said.

I still think they match. But I feel less strongly about it then I did yesterday. If that makes sense.
- MJL

I'm feeling really good about the Flyers chances. I just don't believe Nashville can match this offer. I think Weber and his agent know that and it's was an easy move to sign the offer sheet. I could be wrong but that's what I believe.

One of Weber's Agents also said this.

http://www.philly.com/phi...fer_sheet.html?page=2&c=y

Epp, the agent, acknowledged that Weber would enjoy becoming a Flyer, but that he would still feel comfortable if he returned to Nashville.

"He's had a successful career in Nashville and it's home, so it's not a place where he doesn't think he can't finish his career," Epp said.
- MJL

Anything that comes out of an agent's mouth right now is going to be spin. Obviously they knew the implications of signing the sheet, know he's going to be in one of two places, so he's not likely to shred either city.

Anything that comes out of an agent's mouth right now is going to be spin. Obviously they knew the implications of signing the sheet, know he's going to be in one of two places, so he's not likely to shred either city.
- Jsaquella

Absolutely. But my main point is if you really don't want to play in Nashville. Then you don't sign an Offer Sheet where the result could be that your signed to play there for 14 years. He'd prefer to play in Philly. But he's okay with staying in Nashville also.

I still think they match. But I feel less strongly about it then I did yesterday. If that makes sense.
- MJL

Absolutely. But my main point is if you really don't want to play in Nashville. Then you don't sign an Offer Sheet where the result could be that your signed to play there for 14 years. He'd prefer to play in Philly. But he's okay with staying in Nashville also.
- MJL

I agree with that but I still think weber an his agent know what nashville can afford. If they match he wouldn't mind being there but I'm sure he rather be in Philly first

Well then I would have to ask, why sign an Offer Sheet where a possible outcome of doing so, is that you'll be playing there for 14 years? Why not play one more year there, and then hit Free Agency?

I thinks it far more about securing a big long term deal and playing in a better situation as far as having a chance of winning a Cup, then of not wanting to be in Nashville. I realize that seems like the same thing, but I think there is a distinction there
- MJL

part of it is concern that the new CBA would not allow him to make this kind of money, this kind of term, but I do agree with your overall analysis.

Absolutely. But my main point is if you really don't want to play in Nashville. Then you don't sign an Offer Sheet where the result could be that your signed to play there for 14 years. He'd prefer to play in Philly. But he's okay with staying in Nashville also.
- MJL

Agreed. He knows that Nashville can match, and why risk it if he really despises the place?

Absolutely. But my main point is if you really don't want to play in Nashville. Then you don't sign an Offer Sheet where the result could be that your signed to play there for 14 years. He'd prefer to play in Philly. But he's okay with staying in Nashville also.
- MJL

It's basically him getting to pick where he wants to be. On one side, he is perfectly fine with Nashville matching the offer and staying there and he will still get paid. At the same time, he gets to choose his destination which would be Philadelphia. In his mind, he is in a perfect destination.

I still think Nashville is going to match out of necessity. The money seems like it is tough to make up, but they still have a ways to go to reach the cap floor, so they would have to fork out this money regardless. Reminds me too much of the Vanek offer sheet where Buffalo lost Drury and Briere that offseason and had to match the offer sheet even if the owners didn't want to pay him that much.

It's basically him getting to pick where he wants to be. On one side, he is perfectly fine with Nashville matching the offer and staying there and he will still get paid. At the same time, he gets to choose his destination which would be Philadelphia. In his mind, he is in a perfect destination.

I still think Nashville is going to match out of necessity. The money seems like it is tough to make up, but they still have a ways to go to reach the cap floor, so they would have to fork out this money regardless. Reminds me too much of the Vanek offer sheet where Buffalo lost Drury and Briere that offseason and had to match the offer sheet even if the owners didn't want to pay him that much.
- _Zippy_

The problem with mentioning the cap floor is, that only $7.8mm of the $14mm counts towards that. So that's $6.2mm in salary that doesn't count towards the cap floor.

Reportedly, the Preds made $24-26mm in ticket revenue last year, and still lost $7-10mm. That is significant with a lock out looming.

It's basically him getting to pick where he wants to be. On one side, he is perfectly fine with Nashville matching the offer and staying there and he will still get paid. At the same time, he gets to choose his destination which would be Philadelphia. In his mind, he is in a perfect destination.

I still think Nashville is going to match out of necessity. The money seems like it is tough to make up, but they still have a ways to go to reach the cap floor, so they would have to fork out this money regardless. Reminds me too much of the Vanek offer sheet where Buffalo lost Drury and Briere that offseason and had to match the offer sheet even if the owners didn't want to pay him that much.
- _Zippy_

I feel the same way. I could definitely be wrong. But I see it as being more costly to lose Weber then to keep him.

- wilsonecho91

now you know what i wantcha' to do. and it ain't prayin', cop.

The problem with mentioning the cap floor is, that only $7.8mm of the $14mm counts towards that. So that's $6.2mm in salary that doesn't count towards the cap floor.

Reportedly, the Preds made $24-26mm in ticket revenue last year, and still lost $7-10mm
- Jsaquella

The Nashville GM should use the money he needs to get to the floor to start extending out some of the young guns that will be restricted free agents next year. Nashville couldn't afford Suter and Weber andy pay all them guys next year. They're s mall market team that needs to be smarter.

Agreed. He knows that Nashville can match, and why risk it if he really despises the place?
- Jsaquella

because he's probably made it known that he just wants to move on. that's an awfully risky position for nashville to take. or he just wants to lock in a monster deal since it's on the table and the future cba is totally uncertain, regardless of where he plays?

I feel the same way. I could definitely be wrong. But I see it as being more costly to lose Weber then to keep him.
- MJL

I honestly don't see how they can match this offer with how loaded it is upfront. I think the longer it goes the worse it is for Nashville. If they have the money there's no need to wait to announce they will match. The Preds statement to me was like an early statement that they will see what they can do but no guarantees.

One of Weber's Agents also said this.

http://www.philly.com/phi...fer_sheet.html?page=2&c=y

Epp, the agent, acknowledged that Weber would enjoy becoming a Flyer, but that he would still feel comfortable if he returned to Nashville.

"He's had a successful career in Nashville and it's home, so it's not a place where he doesn't think he can't finish his career," Epp said.
- MJL

interesting, i didn't see those comments

makes the whole damn situation really strange

I honestly don't see how they can match this offer with how loaded it is upfront. I think the longer it goes the worse it is for Nashville. If they have the money there's no need to wait to announce they will match. The Preds statement to me was like an early statement that they will see what they can do but no guarantees.
- stveshdy

Because it isn't about just having the money to match. They have the money to match. It's about what makes the most sense for the future of the team. And seeing if a trade presents itself, if that makes more sense for the future of the team, then matching.
I think a lot of people are emotionally involved in hoping they don't match. I'm excited about it also. But losing Weber will be a blow to Nashville and it's future, along with losing Suter. And it could be far more damaging financially, then matching the deal is.

Yeah, I pointed it out to Larry Brooks and he sent me kind of a snide DM. So I tweeted the CBA clause back to him
- Jsaquella

Ladies and gentlemen - Dale Carnegie!

Because it isn't about just having the money to match. They have the money to match. It's about what makes the most sense for the future of the team. And seeing if a trade presents itself, if that makes more sense for the future of the team, then matching.
I think a lot of people are emotionally involved in hoping they don't match. I'm excited about it also. But losing Weber will be a blow to Nashville and it's future, along with losing Suter. And it could be far more damaging financially, then matching the deal is.
- MJL

If they could match it would be done. The problem is they may have the money but there not going to make any money if they match. There a small market team they don't have that kind of money laying around. They need six owners all to agree and it's been reported that one owner wants to sell his share for $50M ( on crossing Broad. Com). Willl see what happens.

If they could match it would be done. The problem is they may have the money but there not going to make any money if they match. There a small market team they don't have that kind of money laying around. They need six owners all to agree and it's been reported that one owner wants to sell his share for $50M ( on crossing road. Com). Willl see what happens.
- stveshdy

Not true at all. Just because they haven't announced matching it, doesn't mean they can't. It's a choice here. You, or I, or anyone else here, doesn't have any idea what kind of money they have "laying around".