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Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:39 PM ET
anything else going on in the world of hockey?
- jstross

Just WEBER WEBER WEBER WEBER WEBER!!!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:42 PM ET
Just WEBER WEBER WEBER WEBER WEBER!!!
- Richieattack18


Flyers 80%
Preds 20%
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 20 @ 4:44 PM ET
Flyers 80%
Preds 20%

- stveshdy




I think im in agreement. Its the agents distancing him from NASH that I personally enjoy.....
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Jul 20 @ 4:46 PM ET
Agree with that. Propaganda, slanted news and yellow journalism yes!
- 2731color


Most of what Drudge reports is links from other news services.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:48 PM ET
I think im in agreement. Its the agents distancing him from NASH that I personally enjoy.....
- aosplayo

The agent needs to keep saying how Weber wants to be in Philly, works totally in our favor
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:48 PM ET
WeberWatch2012 **puts pot of coffee on**
- aosplayo


You want to keep the pots of coffee going.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:50 PM ET
Flyers 80%
Preds 20%

- stveshdy

I'd say maybe even a higher chance for them getting Weber. I just dont see how Nashville would be able to risk paying him that money. They wont have enough for him and Rinne plus everyone else, especially knowing that there could possibly be a shortened season.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 20 @ 4:50 PM ET
You want to keep the pots of coffee going.
- ob18




......had the wife bring me some dunkin iced coffee
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 4:50 PM ET
Flyers 80%
Preds 20%

- stveshdy



I'd stick to my guns, but if I thought I had to give them some money towards the floor I'd go Meszaros and 3 1s for weber and a 3rd. they can exhange 1s for approved prospects and I might waive the 3rd if they take Shelly and walker
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:52 PM ET
I'd stick to my guns, but if I thought I had to give them some money towards the floor I'd go Meszaros and 3 1s for weber and a 3rd. they can exhange 1s for approved prospects and I might waive the 3rd if they take Shelly and walker
- jstross

I don't think they should trade Shelley because he knows the best salt to butter ratio for popcorn.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 20 @ 4:52 PM ET
I'd stick to my guns, but if I thought I had to give them some money towards the floor I'd go Meszaros and 3 1s for weber and a 3rd. they can exhange 1s for approved prospects and I might waive the 3rd if they take Shelly and walker
- jstross

I'll stick to my guns and say weber stays in Nash and Ryan is a flyer by wed
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:55 PM ET
all i have to say is; Shea Weber! Woo!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:56 PM ET
I'd say maybe even a higher chance for them getting Weber. I just dont see how Nashville would be able to risk paying him that money. They wont have enough for him and Rinne plus everyone else, especially knowing that there could possibly be a shortened season.
- Richieattack18


I think Nashville would love to keep Weber but the longer it goes the more confidence I have that they can't match. Wouldnt surprise me if there trying to come up with ways to get that money but they would be in some serious trouble if the season doesn't start on time bc they do rely on ticket revenue.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:56 PM ET
I'll stick to my guns and say weber stays in Nash and Ryan is a flyer by wed
- Deasr1

You think Nashville will be able to get all 6 owners to agree on matching for Weber, even though they dont have the money to give him?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:58 PM ET
You think Nashville will be able to get all 6 owners to agree on matching for Weber, even though they dont have the money to give him?
- Richieattack18


It's hard to convince one person let alone six.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:59 PM ET
I think he deserves some criticism. Maybe not as much as he's getting, but some.

He had lots of time to lock up both Weber and Suter before they hit free agency and he failed. Rather spectacularly in the case of Weber - that $4M arbitration offer was absurd, and to compare him to Yandle, etc. is asinine.

If had offered say, $6.2M to Suter and $6.8M to Weber last year, they both would probably still be Preds. Those were big numbers last year, and would have seemed like overpaying. But they seem like a steal now given what has transpired. For a team that supposedly has the money to match any offer sheet, they were pretty stupid with how they used it. If not outright stupid, at least very short-sighted not to have anticipated the rise in FA salaries that occurs every single year.

- BringBack25



Did he fail? Or was the best offer he was authorized to make, not good enough to get it done? There are many questions. Who made the decision to take Weber to Arbitration? Arbitration is not the same as negotiating a contract. It's not about making a fair offer. It's about intentionally low balling the player. That's what it's about. Offered 6.8M to Weber last year? When he was already making 7.5M. What I'm saying is we don't know who was calling the shots as far as finances are concerned. And it's really unfair to criticize from the cheap seats when we don't know what transpired. I'm not saying Poile doesn't deserve criticism. Maybe he deserves all of it. Maybe he royally screwed this whole thing up. But I don't know that. And to think that I do, is assuming an awful lot of facts not in evidence.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jul 20 @ 5:01 PM ET
Did he fail? Or was the best offer he was authorized to make, not good enough to get it done? There are many questions. Who made the decision to take Weber to Arbitration? Arbitration is not the same as negotiating a contract. It's not about making a fair offer. It's about intentionally low balling the player. That's what it's about. Offered 6.8M to Weber last year? When he was already making 7.5M. What I'm saying is we don't know who was calling the shots as far as finances are concerned. And it's really unfair to criticize from the cheap seats when we don't know what transpired. I'm not saying Poile doesn't deserve criticism. Maybe he deserves all of it. Maybe he royally screwed this whole thing up. But I don't know that. And to think that I do, is assuming an awful lot of facts not in evidence.
- MJL


are you, by chance, a lawyer?
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 5:02 PM ET
I think Nashville would love to keep Weber but the longer it goes the more confidence I have that they can't match. Wouldnt surprise me if there trying to come up with ways to get that money but they would be in some serious trouble if the season doesn't start on time bc they do rely on ticket revenue.
- stveshdy

If the season doesnt start on time and they keep Weber, the franchise will be 120 percent devastated and who knows what would happen to the franchise then, they'd be gone. Atleast if you do a trade or take the picks, you will still be fairly competitive and have a future, plus you have a top 3 goalie and still one of the better blue lines in the league. Plus the guy doesn't even want to be in Nashville, the dude wants out. The fans already know he wants out so why would they want to have a Captain on the team that doesnt even want to be there? The locker room would be destroyed.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 20 @ 5:06 PM ET
You think Nashville will be able to get all 6 owners to agree on matching for Weber, even though they dont have the money to give him?
- Richieattack18

I think they lose more money if he goes rather than stay. They will wait till the 11th hour to match. To hold up any other plans we may have.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 20 @ 5:10 PM ET
I think they lose more money if he goes rather than stay. They will wait till the 11th hour to match. To hold up any other plans we may have.
- Deasr1

I think they lose a ton more by keeping him. They could turn and trade a few picks and land a guy like JBow who would obviously be a big step down, but would keep them afloat. They could also make a few other moves to land an offensive guy. Keeping him and having a 150 million dollar difference between ticket sales and player salaries over the next 6 years would be insane...
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 5:13 PM ET
I think they lose more money if he goes rather than stay. They will wait till the 11th hour to match. To hold up any other plans we may have.
- Deasr1

Do you think all of the owners want to risk paying him if they get no income? it will be hard to convince even half of them, if not any of the owners to be okay with matching the offer.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 20 @ 5:19 PM ET
Do you think all of the owners want to risk paying him if they get no income? it will be hard to convince even half of them, if not any of the owners to be okay with matching the offer.
- Richieattack18

I don't think there will be a stoppage NHL can't afford it.
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 20 @ 5:21 PM ET
I don't think there will be a stoppage NHL can't afford it.
- Deasr1


well, in THAT case...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 20 @ 5:22 PM ET
I don't think there will be a stoppage NHL can't afford it.
- Deasr1

Still can't dismiss the posibilty.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 5:23 PM ET
I don't think there will be a stoppage NHL can't afford it.
- Deasr1

Me either, but do you think the owners take the risk of losing all of that money? If I put myself in their shoes, i am more interested in taking the safe route financially. Would you agree?
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