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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=743373&feedID=704

Gotta love timmmmaaaayyyy!!!

Weber with Gustafson on the 3rd pairing!!
2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:27 AM ET
The Flyers should be a MORE desperate team than Nashville since they haven't won a Cup since 1975. I'd do everything possible to get Weber because he could be the difference. If Nashville matches, it's a big lost opportunity.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
Billionaire's who go into the business of buying sports franchise's (especially those in smaller markets) with the idea they are going to make a profit should not be owners. The only exception is the NFL which understands the concept of revenue sharing and its importance better than any other league.


Pony up the money Nashville, the cap hit is reasonable. History will tell you in order to win the cup you usually need a franchise defensemen.

- fsanford



The Preds aren't owned by a billionaire writing blank checks to fuel his ego (Snider) -- they're owned by a consortium of investors who are struggling to get the team's finances into the black as it is.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
Bill,

If you are reading:

If he decides to sit out does he still get all that bonus money? if he is able to sit out and get payed that would pretty much control his destiny.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:28 AM ET
I don't want to lose Jakey.
- aightwebang17



me neiths
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:29 AM ET
I don't want to lose Jakey.
- aightwebang17


same bro
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:30 AM ET
Hahaha i remember that who posted it???
- Philly1980


I don't know, but it's one of the reasons these threads are so consistently awesome.

I agree with Bill. It would be fiscally irresponsible for the Nashville to have that much money tied up in two players, face of the franchise or not. They would be have little room to surround them with talent to win.

I compare their response to the offer sheet and whether to match to when I ask one of my friends if they think a girl is good looking. If you have to think about it, the answer is probably no.

Take the picks, that's two first rounders for the next four years. Rebuild, and sign extensions early.
sheerrw
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newtown, PA
Joined: 09.29.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:30 AM ET
Please will everybody stop saying he gets paid $27m for one year.

In fact he gets paid $27m over a one year period. But, it covers two years of bonus and almost all his salary for both years.

- spatso


The timing of the bonuses is relevant for a small market team. Whoever gets Weber will pay him a lot of money up front for the next six seasons.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:31 AM ET
Hahaha i remember that who posted it???
- Philly1980


I don't know, but it's one of the reasons these threads are so consistently awesome.

I agree with Bill. It would be fiscally irresponsible for the Nashville to have that much money tied up in two players, face of the franchise or not. They would be have little room to surround them with talent to win.

I compare their response to the offer sheet and whether to match to when I ask one of my friends if they think a girl is good looking. If you have to think about it, the answer is probably no.

Take the picks, that's two first rounders for the next four years. Rebuild, and sign extensions early.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:31 AM ET
Hahaha i remember that who posted it???
- Philly1980


I don't know, but it's one of the reasons these threads are so consistently awesome.

I agree with Bill. It would be fiscally irresponsible for the Nashville to have that much money tied up in two players, face of the franchise or not. They would be have little room to surround them with talent to win.

I compare their response to the offer sheet and whether to match to when I ask one of my friends if they think a girl is good looking. If you have to think about it, the answer is probably no.

Take the picks, that's two first rounders for the next four years. Rebuild, and sign extensions early.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
I think that's easy to say from here. But when you're so close to landing a franchise defenseman, I'd be willing to part with something else to make sure it happens.

(not B. Schenn or Couturier, though)

- bradleyc4



no b schenn even for weber??
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:32 AM ET


NEVER
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
I'm against a trade period. I would tell Nashville we are not trading (we tried) but now its either you match our offer or take our picks.

People need to realize its not the end of the world if they dont get Weber.

- stveshdy


I agree. There's no way I'd trade Voracek, mesz, MAB and 2 1s. That's way too much.
fsanford
Joined: 10.28.2009

Jul 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
The Preds aren't owned by a billionaire writing blank checks to fuel his ego (Snider) -- they're owned by a consortium of investors who are struggling to get the team's finances into the black as it is.
- Tomahawk


google this guy...W. Brett Wilson
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
The relationship between Homer and Poile is already in a shambles now, there's no reason to give up assets in an effort to smooth things over, with Poile, or with the League. The goal is to win a Stanley Cup, and getting Weber while not giving anything up from the current roster puts the Flyers much closer to that goal.

As for cap-compliance, it shouldn't be too tough for them to just make a few tweaks to get back under the upper-limit with Weber on board.

- Tomahawk


kinda agree with this but mostly due to a deep, burning love for jake voracek.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
no b schenn even for weber??
- Don'tForgetTocchet


at this point, no way.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
I'm against a trade period. I would tell Nashville we are not trading (we tried) but now its either you match our offer or take our picks.

People need to realize its not the end of the world if they dont get Weber.

- stveshdy

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:34 AM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/07/20/12/Flyers-creativity-for-Weber-hampers-Pred/mobile_landing.html?blockID=743373&feedID=704

Gotta love timmmmaaaayyyy!!!

Weber with Gustafson on the 3rd pairing!!

- Just5




FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:34 AM ET
Only temporarely. Weber will cost less in future years. Financing 19M at 5% is 1M per year, and decreasing over time. For me, that's what it is, an extra 1M per year to keep Weber. Losing Weber = losing more than 1M in revenues probably, so decision is not that tuff. As I said, I would match being Nashville owner. Just can't lose Weber.
- Habs Rule


I hate to burst your troll-bubble but not sure the press could finance the cost at 5%. That is close to the best rates available to safe invesments. The business is losing money. It is a high risk business. A lender would only lend at such a low rate to a low risk. So either one of the owners is putting up their own money and collateral. So they have to make the same assesment. All I it feeds into the same financial dilemma that everyone has been saying about ticket revenue and risk of work stoppage. If it was so easy for the preds, they would have just done it by now. Bottom line is that there will Likey be a gratton deal and that homer save coots and the schenns and coburn by doing he OS move. Another bottom line, your grapes are sour.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:35 AM ET
google this guy...W. Brett Wilson
- fsanford


and what hes going to cover the Preds for 130 Mill in potential loses over the next six years? he didnt become a billionaire by being stupid. there is a reason he only has 5% of the preds.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:35 AM ET
That would be a reallly tough move to make cap wise I would think... but then again.. I suck at thinking.
- jak521

Cheer up kid, I look forward to your posts.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:35 AM ET
at this point, no way.
- bradleyc4



you love him
Mozzy
Joined: 01.19.2009

Jul 20 @ 10:36 AM ET
The Flyers cannot give up 3 Players and 3 first Rounders for Weber. They dont even have too!! I know they want to save face, but you cannot give up that much for opne player. haven't they learned their l;esson about youth and keeping depth! They gotta hold ontot Vorcek at all costs. he is slated to fill in the Giroux line. Don't forget we lost 2 top 6 forwards already. Nashville keeps 2 first rounders and trade Bourdon, Mez, a 2nd and a 3rd for two 1st's back...KEEP VORACEK!!
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:36 AM ET
Cheer up kid, I look forward to your posts.
- JoeRussomanno

Thanks and thanks for the twit follow
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:37 AM ET
another point of view that now needs to be considered is do they bring back a guy who, at least through the voice of his agent, has made it clear he does not want to be a part of nashville any longer? He will be a malcontent, and the fans will turn on the franchise player who will be there for the next 14 years.
Remember how sour fans were when Lindros sat out and said he wanted out?

- the deaninator

on the other hand they just offered him a 1 yr tender when he was clearly a franchise plyr, but he still was captain and had a great season. he's a pro.

I'd like him here as much as you do. we just disagree on the odds of it getting done w/o a deal.
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