And it doesn't always take a lottery pick (though this makes it easier to predict). There's a guy who was drafted late second round who just signed some kind of $110m deal, or so rumour has it...
- lumlums

still need luck.. maybe Finn can get a contract like that some day

I think we have sucked hard at developping Kadri if we trade him we might regret it
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- Kuleminator

He'd obviously put up points on a good team but whether he has the mental toughness to survive in TOR

Where, in the AHL? Frattin is 25 years old, of course he's going to dominate in the AHL, other then that, he'll top out at a 40pt season in the NHL. Highly overrated by Leaf fans, Bernier has much more upside.
- ThePresident

Burrows was undrafted, and was playing ball hockey for a few years before moving through the ECHL, AHL and into the NHL. Some people develop late, and Frattin's college partying set him back a couple of years. Give him time, coaching and some good people to play with and watch him shine...

No need to get worked up over Bernier, BBs not going after him

He's still looking at getting Lu for a bargain as FLA isn't really in the running, and won't pay up the ass when they already have Markstrom
- AngryWhiteMale

Dream scenario :

Florida gets Lu

Leafs get Markstrom because of a paper work mistake by Tallon

What does age have to do with dominating in the AHL? it's not as if he's a man playing amongst boys. The avg age in the AHL is probably higher than the NHL...
- PootieTang

I was thinking the same thing

NHL roster player, prospect and a 1st. Which he's worth
- LeftCoaster

... where do i begin....

still need luck.. maybe Finn can get a contract like that some day
- peddy-93

Hopefully not from Philly

I think we have sucked hard at developping Kadri if we trade him we might regret it
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- Kuleminator

He wont be traded, dont worry. He will be on the 2nd line on the wing playing with grabo.

NHL roster player, prospect and a 1st. Which he's worth
- LeftCoaster

true but you need account for his long contract thus the price tag should come down.

The excuse that he will not play out the entire contract is bogus.
Vancouver should be fined for attempting to circumvent the cap if he doesn't fullfil the entire contract.

Dream scenario :

Florida gets Lu

Leafs get Markstrom because of a paper work mistake by Tallon
- Kuleminator

Not really... clemmenson and theodore will be out the door first.

Dream scenario :

Florida gets Lu

Leafs get Markstrom because of a paper work mistake by Tallon
- Kuleminator

I really won't think FLA is willing to pay up the ass.

BBs just sitting back waiting, because he knows Lu's come out and wants to jump ship and since he's the only viable partner(he's not going to CHI) it's just a war of attrition and patience

No need to get worked up over Bernier, BBs not going after him

He's still looking at getting Lu for a bargain as FLA isn't really in the running, and won't pay up the ass when they already have Markstrom
- AngryWhiteMale

Not gonna happen, Gillis won't give in and let him go for nothing.

Put it this way, what is Frattin's trade value?
What is Bernier's trade value?

What number draft pick is each one worth alone in a trade?

Bernier is teetering on a 1st round pick, Frattin most likely a 3-4th round pick.

The more I see Rielly, the more excited I get. I really think that he could be the best Defenseman we've had in 20+ years when he gets developed...
- lumlums

my friends dad is one of the head scouts for moose jaw... he said we probably got the best player in the draft

Put it this way, what is Frattin's trade value?
What is Bernier's trade value?

What number draft pick is each one worth alone in a trade?

Bernier is teetering on a 1st round pick, Frattin most likely a 3-4th round pick.
- ThePresident

frattin is far more than a 4th

Not really... clemmenson and theodore will be out the door first.
- Mapleleafs_91

That's Why i said dream scenario

Please Burke Offer sheet SOMEONE (Evander Kane)

Burrows was undrafted, and was playing ball hockey for a few years before moving through the ECHL, AHL and into the NHL. Some people develop late, and Frattin's college partying set him back a couple of years. Give him time, coaching and some good people to play with and watch him shine...
- lumlums

hes almost 25.... hes like another bozak or stalberg tops

Put it this way, what is Frattin's trade value?
What is Bernier's trade value?

What number draft pick is each one worth alone in a trade?

Bernier is teetering on a 1st round pick, Frattin most likely a 3-4th round pick.
- ThePresident

I don't want to lose Frattin.

And I doubt BB wants to give up on him when Bernier isn't a genuinely significant upgrade over the combined potential of Riemer & Scrivens as they have both shown significant displays of potnetial

I really won't think FLA is willing to pay up the ass.

BBs just sitting back waiting, because he knows Lu's come out and wants to jump ship and since he's the only viable partner(he's not going to CHI) it's just a war of attrition and patience
- AngryWhiteMale

The same Gillis who refuse to trade us Cody Hogdson dummb ass

true but you need account for his long contract thus the price tag should come down.

The excuse that he will not play out the entire contract is bogus.
Vancouver should be fined for attempting to circumvent the cap if he doesn't fullfil the entire contract.
- dmnted

Ok what about this, Parise, Suter and now Weber (hypothetical examples) all want trades in four years. They're all 31 years old with nine and ten years left on their deals. They are only worth salary cap dumps because their contracts are somehow considered bad and too long? They are great players and they deserve a good return, same with Lu who just turned 33.

hes almost 25.... hes like another bozak or stalberg tops
- Mapleleafs_91

Both valuable players. Its settled then.

That's Why i said dream scenario

Please Burke Offer sheet SOMEONE (Evander Kane)

- Kuleminator

i hope offer sheets become popular... would prevent this idea that getting last in the league is somehow a good thing... YOUR LAST.. your the worst... thats a terrible thing to be... why are fanbases proud of it... at least if offer sheeting became common they would have to either buck up the money or continuously draft in teh 1st round and have a team of all 18-21 year olds

I don't understand why Bernier would be a better option than Reimer at this point?
- LeftCoaster

He's new. .. new is always better

I don't want to lose Frattin.

And I doubt BB wants to give up on him when Bernier isn't a genuinely significant upgrade over the combined potential of Riemer & Scrivens as they have both shown significant displays of potnetial
- AngryWhiteMale

We have ashton, brad ross, and other guys in the ranks... why do you care so much for a guy who played on the third line... kadri has a higher ceiling than him now if it was kadri then i would be mad........

Ok what abou this, Parise, Suter and now Weber (hypothetical examples) all want trades in four years. They're all 31 years old with nine and ten years left on their deals. They are only worth salary cap dumps because their contracts are somehow considered bad and too long? They are great players and they deserve a good return, same with Lu who just turned 33.
- LeftCoaster

no because none of them in 4 years will likely be getting replace by your own team... its your team that has made lu's value bad... if hes that good... why are you replacing him with schnieder... a different canucks fan was arguing luongo was top 5 in the league... so i asked him if schnieder is top 4 then because you wouldnt be replacing him if luo was that good