because LA isn't going to swap Bernier for Reimer or Scrivens straight up.

They want Frattin and a 1st. Given that Bernier is not a guarnateed upgrade over what he have now, that offer gets a pretty easy (frank) That!
- Big_Lightnin

Source? I heard Frattin and a 3rd. Including a first is too much, but if they'd take Frattin and a 3rd, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Absolutely it's a risk. That's why I used the term potential. Do you not agree that Bernier's potential ceiling is higher than Fratinos?
- 1979AD

His NHL numbers on a very good defensive team are not that impressive regardless of his ceiling, which is given to him solely because of his high draft number.

because LA isn't going to swap Bernier for Reimer or Scrivens straight up.

They want Frattin and a 1st. Given that Bernier is not a guarnateed upgrade over what he have now, that offer gets a pretty easy (frank) That!
- Big_Lightnin

Last I read was Frattin and a 2nd. The other guy heard it was Frattin and a 3rd. (frank)ing twitter.

Idk if you missed the memo, but anything after a top ten pick is anything but gauranteed. Look at Zach Hamill, the Bruins 8th overall pick a few years ago, that never panned out and we just shipped him off for Chris Borque.
- celata29

Who's talking guarantees? I'm talking potential. Goalies are such late bloomers that when one is taken this high, they're taken because they have the potential to be a superstar.

Idk if you missed the memo, but anything after a top ten pick is anything but gauranteed. Look at Zach Hamill, the Bruins 8th overall pick a few years ago, that never panned out and we just shipped him off for Chris Borque.
- celata29

Who's talking guarantees? I'm talking potential. Goalies are such late bloomers that when one is taken this high, they're taken because they have the potential to be a superstar.

Source? I heard Frattin and a 3rd. Including a first is too much, but if they'd take Frattin and a 3rd, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
- 1979AD

LA is asking a very high price, that is why he hasn't been moved.

LA is asking a very high price, that is why he hasn't been moved.
- celata29

I'm speaking to the topic of this blog that this 'very high price' is Matt Frattin +. IMO that is not a very high price at all.

What the (frank) do I care about what Armstrong got paid? He was (frank)ing useless too. I know you love Kulemin, that's fine. He's one of my faves too. But don't pretend he deserves a raise when he clearly does not. I give you credit for not using the (frank)ing depression excuse in 2 or 3 posts though.
- weirdoh

I haven't even mentioned it

Point is his agent cares what Armstrong and Lombatrdi are making. That does factor into the negotiation, as does his 30G season.

The only reason he's not getting $3.5M is because he shat the bed last year. This is a very good deal for what Kulemin brings to the table, regardless of whether never scores 25+G again...

Who's talking guarantees? I'm talking potential. Goalies are such late bloomers that when one is taken this high, they're taken because they have the potential to be a superstar.
- 1979AD

Potential is limited though, especially after you have seen him start in the NHL.
He has a 2.50 GAA on the KINGS and a .910 save %. Reimer in his healthy year had a 2.60 GAA and a .921 save % on a much weaker team. You really want to take that risk on a very unproven goalie?

His NHL numbers on a very good defensive team are not that impressive regardless of his ceiling, which is given to him solely because of his high draft number.
- celata29

You mean his numbers while playing a very small sample of games on a team that finished out of the playoffs and then 8th overall? Why were Kings fans expecting him to take over for Quick this year (until Quick turned into Superman)?

I'm speaking to the topic of this blog that this 'very high price' is Matt Frattin +. IMO that is not a very high price at all.
- 1979AD

Take this blog for what it's worth, but they are asking for a 1st and a roster player.

can anyone back me up on how high their asking price is?

Source? I heard Frattin and a 3rd. Including a first is too much, but if they'd take Frattin and a 3rd, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
- 1979AD

I find that hard to believe...

Potential is limited though, especially after you have seen him start in the NHL.
He has a 2.50 GAA on the KINGS and a .910 save %. Reimer in his healthy year had a 2.60 GAA and a .921 save % on a much weaker team. You really want to take that risk on a very unproven goalie?
- celata29

If the risk is Matt Frattin - hell ya.

I bet she has a gun too.

Take this blog for what it's worth, but they are asking for a 1st and a roster player.

can anyone back me up on how high their asking price is?
- celata29

Source?

If the risk is Matt Frattin - hell ya.
- 1979AD

But it's not just Frattin...they are asking for a first, not a third

I find that hard to believe...
- Big_Lightnin

If Bernier is such an unproven commodity, why would that be hard to believe?

But it's not just Frattin...they are asking for a first, not a third
- celata29

Says who?

If Bernier is such an unproven commodity, why would that be hard to believe?
- 1979AD

Chatter is that the asking price is high, from several sources, not just Leafs.

Frattin and a 3rd is not high, therefore I find it hard to believe that is the asking offer.

Chatter is that the asking price is high, from several sources, not just Leafs.

Frattin and a 3rd is not high, therefore I find it hard to believe that is the asking offer.
- Big_Lightnin

Thank You

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well, let's not let parents off the hook here.
- Big_Lightnin

oh ffs.. once again.. thats nothing more than shifting blame to another

Thank You

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- celata29

So we agree that if the Kings are willing to accept Frattin + 3rd, it's a no brainer, but Frattin + 1st is too much?

If Bernier is such an unproven commodity, why would that be hard to believe?
- 1979AD

Chatter is that the asking price is high, from several sources, not just Leafs.

Frattin and a 3rd is not high, therefore I find it hard to believe that is the asking offer.

Thank You

This
- celata29

that said, The Leafs need to keep Frattin - he's the type of player they don't have enough off - plays big with a great shot. Still unproven, but he's got potential to be a Carlyle/Burke type player.

I could see Burkie turning that down.

So we agree that if the Kings are willing to accept Frattin + 3rd, it's a no brainer, but Frattin + 1st is too much?
- 1979AD

not necessarily...

Burkie likes Frattin.