Anybody know what Vancouver actually wants from Toronto?
- allycat

Too much.

YA its not fair, they should give Wellwood the 3 mil so he can buy a lifetime supply of food
- peddy-93

I think that he's already built up a lifetime's supply of food between his neck and his waist.....

I think its more a case of stocking up with talent, and then letting them fight it out for number 1
- lumlums

its a good idea, but depending on whos going the other way

Rumor.... Player, Prospect, 1st
- cor99

Komisarek, Mueller, 1st? Done

Too much.
- As_I_See_It

Way to Much!

2nd + good prospect

I agree the Leafs must do everything in their power to move Mac instead of Frattin. I just don't understand the "trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake." If the Leafs are going to trade unproven prospects for another unproven starting goalie how is it a mistake? Ideally you want to move prospects where you have depth (defense) to address a need where you don't have depth. Bernier>>Scrivens and 2 years younger with more pro experience. Reimer/Scrivens will be a disaster whereas Bernier/Reimer at least has good potential. Forget what Burke said, Luongo hasn't panned out and Brodeur hasn't panned out so now he has to resort to plan C.

its a good idea, but depending on whos going the other way
- peddy-93

YEah. Unfortunately I suspect that whichever players go are ones that we may regret in the future...

Oh my god, are we seriously debating on giving up Matt Frattin? This guy is a 3rd liner at best, of course highly overrated by Leaf Nation. Give me a break, Frattin and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Bernier , lets be real. Do that deal in a heartbeat.

YEah. Unfortunately I suspect that whichever players go are ones that we may regret in the future...
- lumlums

Yup, thats why i dont want Frattin going the other way

I agree with the article that this could be a ploy to get Gillis to lower the price for Luongo.

Lu really shouldn't cost much more than Bernier and we know who the best bet is. Aside, there's a better chance one of Scrivens or Reimer succeed as opposed to Bernier

I agree the Leafs must do everything in their power to move Mac instead of Frattin. I just don't understand the "trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake." If the Leafs are going to trade unproven prospects for another unproven starting goalie how is it a mistake? Ideally you want to move prospects where you have depth (defense) to address a need where you don't have depth. Bernier>>Scrivens and 2 years younger with more pro experience. Reimer/Scrivens will be a disaster whereas Bernier/Reimer at least has good potential. Forget what Burke said, Luongo hasn't panned out and Brodeur hasn't panned out so now he has to resort to plan C.
- PootieTang

If Reimer and Schrivens is a disaster well Hello Nathan Mc Kinnon!!!!

Oh my god, are we seriously debating on giving up Matt Frattin? This guy is a 3rd liner at best, of course highly overrated by Leaf Nation. Give me a break, Frattin and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Bernier , lets be real. Do that deal in a heartbeat.
- ThePresident

You're the president? I swear drugs are illegal in your country? Unless we're watching harold and kumar or something then im missing out..

whydidnt he just (frank)ing trade macarthur after he had his one great season. jesus (frank)ing christ

Oh my god, are we seriously debating on giving up Matt Frattin? This guy is a 3rd liner at best, of course highly overrated by Leaf Nation. Give me a break, Frattin and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Bernier , lets be real. Do that deal in a heartbeat.
- ThePresident

I think that Frattin has the potnetial to play like Burrows. It's always nice to have guys who other people don't like to play against...

Oh my god, are we seriously debating on giving up Matt Frattin? This guy is a 3rd liner at best, of course highly overrated by Leaf Nation. Give me a break, Frattin and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Bernier , lets be real. Do that deal in a heartbeat.
- ThePresident

It's not that the deal isn't worth it, it's more the fact that Frattin plays a style of game that the Leafs are sorely lacking. It would be tough letting him go, rather than MaCarthur but if it has to be done than it has to be done because Scrivens is not the answer.

It's not that the deal isn't worth it, it's more the fact that Frattin plays a style of game that the Leafs are sorely lacking. It would be tough letting him go, rather than MaCarthur but if it has to be done than it has to be done because Scrivens is not the answer.
- PootieTang

you said enough after the 1st period.

If Reimer and Schrivens is a disaster well Hello Nathan Mc Kinnon!!!!
- Kuleminator

How many years do we have to pray for the 1st overall pick only to fall flat on our faces? It's depressing and no fan should root against their own team.

I think its more a case of stocking up with talent, and then letting them fight it out for number 1
- lumlums

But you've gotta give to get and the Leafs are not deep in NHL talent. Good prospects maybe I guess?

Oh my god, are we seriously debating on giving up Matt Frattin? This guy is a 3rd liner at best, of course highly overrated by Leaf Nation. Give me a break, Frattin and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Bernier , lets be real. Do that deal in a heartbeat.
- ThePresident

Be quiet.

How many years do we have to pray for the 1st overall pick only to fall flat on our faces? It's depressing and no fan should root against their own team.
- PootieTang

Oilers do it all the time

It's not that the deal isn't worth it, it's more the fact that Frattin plays a style of game that the Leafs are sorely lacking. It would be tough letting him go, rather than MaCarthur but if it has to be done than it has to be done because Scrivens is not the answer.
- PootieTang

Nobody knows if Bernier is the answer

whydidnt he just (frank)ing trade macarthur after he had his one great season. jesus (frank)ing christ
- MetroidPrime

last year wasn't so bad either...

But you've gotta give to get and the Leafs are not deep in NHL talent. Good prospects maybe I guess?
- LeftCoaster

Yeah, definitely more rich in prospects than NHL ready talent. It might have to be that somebody such as Blacker, Percy or Finn goes to facilitate the deal...

But you've gotta give to get and the Leafs are not deep in NHL talent. Good prospects maybe I guess?
- LeftCoaster

We have a lot of good prospects, not elite ones (although i think Rielly is an elite one).. I'd like us to develop our own prospects for once in the history of the universe

Nobody knows if Bernier is the answer
- Kuleminator

He has more potential than Scrivens though. I'm not talking about trading proven players for an unproven starting goalie. They need to move unproven assets where they have depth in.