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deerow84
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GTA, ON
Joined: 06.26.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:09 AM ET
exactly.

the individual is responsible for their own actions.. not some outside influence

- Dozzer


Agreed. However, you live in a country where owning a gun is your right and this crap is, as a rule, going to happen more often. Like someone said, we have just as many nut jobs up here (at least per capita) the only difference is they can't walk into a fair and buy an assualt rifle no questions asked.

I had a friend from Windsor who used to go to a gun fair near Detroit every year just for fun (he's weird). He said they were selling RPGs as "home defense" weapons and that they had a raffle for a fully functional tank. A TANK. This isn't an issue of just getting a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. We're talking about anti-aircraft guns, body armor, etc.

Apparently if all of the militia in the USA banded together they would outgun the actual US military. Just think about how scary that idea is.
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:12 AM ET
That rule about RFAs getting a minimum of 10% more is dumb. Kulemin should have had a pay cut after this dog poop season. Let him come back and prove he can play, then give him his raise.
- weirdoh


So, the season before when he was dramatically underpaid just doesn't count?

If it makes you feel better, he made $300K more the when he scored 30G than he did last year
wolfos412
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Get Real - JDJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:13 AM ET
Glad Kulemin signed the 2 year 2.8 mil deal. I don't want him wearing another Jersey. I feel he's gonna have a comback season maybe not 30goals but I'm hoping for 20+
markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.27.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:13 AM ET
Agreed. However, you live in a country where owning a gun is your right and this crap is, as a rule, going to happen more often. Like someone said, we have just as many nut jobs up here (at least per capita) the only difference is they can't walk into a fair and buy an assualt rifle no questions asked.

I had a friend from Windsor who used to go to a gun fair near Detroit every year just for fun (he's weird). He said they were selling RPGs as "home defense" weapons and that they had a raffle for a fully functional tank. A TANK. This isn't an issue of just getting a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. We're talking about anti-aircraft guns, body armor, etc.

Apparently if all of the militia in the USA banded together they would outgun the actual US military. Just think about how scary that idea is.

- deerow84


All out anarchy would definitely not favour Canadians lol.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
Agreed. However, you live in a country where owning a gun is your right and this crap is, as a rule, going to happen more often. Like someone said, we have just as many nut jobs up here (at least per capita) the only difference is they can't walk into a fair and buy an assualt rifle no questions asked.

I had a friend from Windsor who used to go to a gun fair near Detroit every year just for fun (he's weird). He said they were selling RPGs as "home defense" weapons and that they had a raffle for a fully functional tank. A TANK. This isn't an issue of just getting a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. We're talking about anti-aircraft guns, body armor, etc.

Apparently if all of the militia in the USA banded together they would outgun the actual US military. Just think about how scary that idea is.

- deerow84




I remember we'd always go down to Buffalo when I was a kid. I was amazed at the fleamarkets and some of the vendors. While up here there'd be the odd guy selling Daisy BB guns, down there they'd be selling crossbows and guns. Cool at the time, but the older I got the easier it was to see that maybe it's not such a cool idea to have stuff like that readily available to the masses.
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
Agreed. However, you live in a country where owning a gun is your right and this crap is, as a rule, going to happen more often. Like someone said, we have just as many nut jobs up here (at least per capita) the only difference is they can't walk into a fair and buy an assualt rifle no questions asked.

I had a friend from Windsor who used to go to a gun fair near Detroit every year just for fun (he's weird). He said they were selling RPGs as "home defense" weapons and that they had a raffle for a fully functional tank. A TANK. This isn't an issue of just getting a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. We're talking about anti-aircraft guns, body armor, etc.

Apparently if all of the militia in the USA banded together they would outgun the actual US military. Just think about how scary that idea is.

- deerow84

I lived in China for a summer and the first question they asked about me was if I owned a gun. In the northeast not as many people own guns, I guess, because I've always looked at the American gun thing as a stereotype (when I was younger, in other places it isn't). Idk it's just normal here.

Anyway do you guys see Evander Kane getting an offer sheet, and if so from who?
p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
he signed for one year. and he's not coming off a 7-goal season.
- DoubleDown


But no point did Gagner ever come off a 30 goal/55+ point season, and at least Kulemin is useful as a two-way forward even if he's in a scoring drought.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
"While going into next season with James Reimer and Ben Scrivens is not the perfect scenario for Burke and the Leafs, trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake. "

Can Mike or anyone explain to me why trading a young asset without superstar potential for a young asset (in an area of organizational weakness especially) with superstar potential would be a mistake?
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:17 AM ET
So, the season before when he was dramatically underpaid just doesn't count?

If it makes you feel better, he made $300K more the when he scored 30G than he did last year

- Big_Lightnin




Why should it matter? His year last year wasn't worth half of what he's getting. If you get hired and all of a sudden start pissing around at your job, will that sit fine? Should be nice if he turns into a 25 goal guy for 2 straight years, what would that equal? 4? 5?
billyberg10
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: HEAVEN
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jul 20 @ 10:18 AM ET
Party at the Moon Tower later....Tell all your friends..........NEW BLOG........
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:18 AM ET
"While going into next season with James Reimer and Ben Scrivens is not the perfect scenario for Burke and the Leafs, trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake. "

Can Mike or anyone explain to me why trading a young asset without superstar potential for a young asset (in an area of organizational weakness especially) with superstar potential would be a mistake?

- 1979AD

I don't quite see how Bernier has superstar potential. He's only started 48 games and his numbers on a much better team are not too much more impressive then your current young goalies, who IMO deserve a year to prove themselves, before you ship out young assets, that are very important to the development of your skating roster.
jimi james
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere Between, NB
Joined: 07.17.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:18 AM ET
Glad Kulemin signed the 2 year 2.8 mil deal. I don't want him wearing another Jersey. I feel he's gonna have a comback season maybe not 30goals but I'm hoping for 20+
- wolfos412

20-30 is realistic
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:18 AM ET
Agreed. However, you live in a country where owning a gun is your right and this crap is, as a rule, going to happen more often. Like someone said, we have just as many nut jobs up here (at least per capita) the only difference is they can't walk into a fair and buy an assualt rifle no questions asked.

I had a friend from Windsor who used to go to a gun fair near Detroit every year just for fun (he's weird). He said they were selling RPGs as "home defense" weapons and that they had a raffle for a fully functional tank. A TANK. This isn't an issue of just getting a hunting rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. We're talking about anti-aircraft guns, body armor, etc.

Apparently if all of the militia in the USA banded together they would outgun the actual US military. Just think about how scary that idea is.

- deerow84


opportunity plays a role for sure, especially when you're talking about School shootings etc.

gangs are gangs and they are going to get guns because their "business" makes them a necessity.

But a depressed kid who's getting bullied is less likely to blow away half his class mates if he actually has to go underground or find real criminals to get a gun.

when he can come home after getting beat up - walk into dad's bedroom and grab a glock, a sawed off, and the afformentioned Tech-9 and head back to school still in a teenage angered frenzy, well, that's what happens.

messed up is messed up, but the consequences of being messed up are about opportunity.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
"While going into next season with James Reimer and Ben Scrivens is not the perfect scenario for Burke and the Leafs, trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake. "

Can Mike or anyone explain to me why trading a young asset without superstar potential for a young asset (in an area of organizational weakness especially) with superstar potential would be a mistake?

- 1979AD



What has Bernier done to prove he's got superstar potential? Because he was drafted high? It's a risk. That's his point.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 20 @ 10:20 AM ET
So, the season before when he was dramatically underpaid just doesn't count?

If it makes you feel better, he made $300K more the when he scored 30G than he did last year

- Big_Lightnin


Factor in inflation (Cap went up almost 20% over those two yrs) and it's basically the same dollars as he made on his last deal.

Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:21 AM ET
Why should it matter? His year last year wasn't worth half of what he's getting. If you get hired and all of a sudden start pissing around at your job, will that sit fine? Should be nice if he turns into a 25 goal guy for 2 straight years, what would that equal? 4? 5?
- weirdoh


so, the only thing hockey players do is score goals. Nothing else matters?

gotcha




guy is the best defensive player on the team by a mile and a half. He had a terrible year where he couldn't score, and was still a plus player on arguably the worst defensive team in the league.

Ya, that's worth less than we paid Armstrong the last 2 years.
p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jul 20 @ 10:21 AM ET
What has Bernier done to prove he's got superstar potential? Because he was drafted high? It's a risk. That's his point.
- weirdoh


He's got Cup ring...therefore he is a potential superstar.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:21 AM ET
Factor in inflation (Cap went up almost 20% over those two yrs) and it's basically the same dollars as he made on his last deal.
- The Law




oh, well in that case.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
I don't quite see how Bernier has superstar potential. He's only started 48 games and his numbers on a much better team are not too much more impressive then your current young goalies, who IMO deserve a year to prove themselves, before you ship out young assets, that are very important to the development of your skating roster.
- celata29


Goalies aren't drafted 11th overall if they don't have superstar potential.
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
"While going into next season with James Reimer and Ben Scrivens is not the perfect scenario for Burke and the Leafs, trading young assets for a goaltender that is not guaranteed to upgrade the position would be a mistake. "

Can Mike or anyone explain to me why trading a young asset without superstar potential for a young asset (in an area of organizational weakness especially) with superstar potential would be a mistake?

- 1979AD


because LA isn't going to swap Bernier for Reimer or Scrivens straight up.

They want Frattin and a 1st. Given that Bernier is not a guarnateed upgrade over what he have now, that offer gets a pretty easy (frank) That!
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
so, the only thing hockey players do is score goals. Nothing else matters?

gotcha




guy is the best defensive player on the team by a mile and a half. He had a terrible year where he couldn't score, and was still a plus player on arguably the worst defensive team in the league.

Ya, that's worth less than we paid Armstrong the last 2 years.

- Big_Lightnin

It's true, people often undervalue the TWF. They can be some of the best players on a team. IE: Patrice Bergeron as a Bruins example. Not saying he's as good as bergy, just similar idea. He get's overlooked.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:23 AM ET
so, the only thing hockey players do is score goals. Nothing else matters?

gotcha




guy is the best defensive player on the team by a mile and a half. He had a terrible year where he couldn't score, and was still a plus player on arguably the worst defensive team in the league.

Ya, that's worth less than we paid Armstrong the last 2 years.

- Big_Lightnin




What the (frank) do I care about what Armstrong got paid? He was (frank)ing useless too. I know you love Kulemin, that's fine. He's one of my faves too. But don't pretend he deserves a raise when he clearly does not. I give you credit for not using the (frank)ing depression excuse in 2 or 3 posts though.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jul 20 @ 10:23 AM ET
What has Bernier done to prove he's got superstar potential? Because he was drafted high? It's a risk. That's his point.
- weirdoh


Absolutely it's a risk. That's why I used the term potential. Do you not agree that Bernier's potential ceiling is higher than Fratinos?
celata29
Boston Bruins
Location: Cocaine is a hell of a drug. D, MA
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 20 @ 10:23 AM ET
Goalies aren't drafted 11th overall if they don't have superstar potential.
- 1979AD

Idk if you missed the memo, but anything after a top ten pick is anything but gauranteed. Look at Zach Hamill, the Bruins 8th overall pick a few years ago, that never panned out and we just shipped him off for Chris Borque.
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 20 @ 10:24 AM ET
He's got Cup ring...therefore he is a potential superstar.
- p_zub




But that potential gets cancelled out as soon as he puts on the blue and white.
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