If there were not any, that because they handed out cups of this at the door...


- EKolb13

My favorite is Tropical punch............its really good with malibu rum or a Vodka of your choice. I am not a big fan of Blackhawks kool-aid

I wish Chris Kuc would have put McD on the spot and asked him if has veto authority over personnel decisions that Bowman proposes. He conveniently stopped short of saying that implying that he does not which I don't believe for a minute.
- jhawk159

Why don't you believe it?

JJ has never said he had "veto authority", that I can recall, neither has Al, only that he and others were involved in hockey decisions (which is certainly bad enough).

What proof do you have that he vetoed personnel decisions?

Why don't you believe it?

JJ has never said he had "veto authority", that I can recall, only that he and others were involved in hockey decisions (which is certainly bad enough).

What proof do you have that he vetoed personnel decisions?
- StLBravesFan

On most trades I can see McD deferring to the hockey people, but if it came to trading a very popular player like a CORE player he might step in

On most trades I can see McD deferring to the hockey people, but if it came to trading a very popular player like a CORE player he might step in
- tomcat24

And VETO IT? Or step in and say look, here are the marketing implications if we do this? Or something in between?

The first should not be allowed; neither, probably, should something in the third areA; the second - if I were Rocky - would be a necessary function of the marketing group.

And VETO IT? Or step in and say look, here are the marketing implications if we do this? Or something in between?

The first should not be allowed; neither, probably, should something in the third areA; the second - if I were Rocky - would be a necessary function of the marketing group.
- StLBravesFan

I agree. Being the marketing whiz I'm sure he would talk about the implications of trading a popular player but I hope he wouldn't veto it if it helped the team. Philly took a big. Risk trading TWO popular core players in Richards and Carter. I still feel they made the right move and solid trades

If anyone is wondering why this front office is paralyzed, there's a big part of the answer.

How about you hire competent hockey people, give them a budget to work within, and let them do their jobs. If they fail, you replace them.
- John Jaeckel

Can we expect the media @ some point to ask why this isn't taking place???

Can we expect the media @ some point to ask why this isn't taking place???
- abvnbyd

After the season ended in the spring, Rogers and Kuc were as critical of the team and management as I've ever read them. Everything they've written the last month or so seems right back to toeing the company line. We can hope, but I doubt it.

Why don't you believe it?

JJ has never said he had "veto authority", that I can recall, neither has Al, only that he and others were involved in hockey decisions (which is certainly bad enough).

What proof do you have that he vetoed personnel decisions?
- StLBravesFan

Unfortunately I don't have proof but more suspicion.

Look at what JJ wrote to start this thread:

"Bowman is, by all accounts, a nice guy, who Team President John McDonough elevated to GM— because McDonough apparently couldn’t work with a real hockey man and the architect of the Stanley Cup team, Dale Tallon.

The story of Stan Bowman’s tenure as GM has been trading away, or just losing (see Niemi, A.) NHL talent and replacing it with draft picks and prospects. Prospects like, Ivan Vishnevskiy, Chris DiDomenico, Phillippe Paradis, Jeremy Morin. Remember them? Aside from Morin, I bet you have to stretch a bit.

But this isn’t an organization in growth mode anymore. It’s an organization that appears caught in the inertia of entropy: overloaded with front office functionaries, many of whom lack significant hockey bona fides.


When he says front office functionaries, many of whom lack significant hockey bona fides that sure sounds like McD to me. If this is true I suspect he's more involved in the hockey decisions than any of us would like. It sure seems like it takes the Hawks front office a long time to pull the trigger on anything. Nothing was done with Campbells cap savings and other than Oduya no other moves at the TDL and a stagnant free agent period. Now this could be because Bowman is in over his head and that may be the case or could it be because of McD. Whatever is going on it's not working out so well.

Unfortunately I don't have proof but more suspicion.

Look at what JJ wrote to start this thread:

"Bowman is, by all accounts, a nice guy, who Team President John McDonough elevated to GM— because McDonough apparently couldn’t work with a real hockey man and the architect of the Stanley Cup team, Dale Tallon.

The story of Stan Bowman’s tenure as GM has been trading away, or just losing (see Niemi, A.) NHL talent and replacing it with draft picks and prospects. Prospects like, Ivan Vishnevskiy, Chris DiDomenico, Phillippe Paradis, Jeremy Morin. Remember them? Aside from Morin, I bet you have to stretch a bit.

But this isn’t an organization in growth mode anymore. It’s an organization that appears caught in the inertia of entropy: overloaded with front office functionaries, many of whom lack significant hockey bona fides.


When he says front office functionaries, many of whom lack significant hockey bona fides that sure sounds like McD to me. If this is true I suspect he's more involved in the hockey decisions than any of us would like. It sure seems like it takes the Hawks front office a long time to pull the trigger on anything. Nothing was done with Campbells cap savings and other than Oduya no other moves at the TDL and a stagnant free agent period. Now this could be because Bowman is in over his head and that may be the case or could it be because of McD. Whatever is going on it's not working out so well.
- jhawk159

I agree with substantially ALL of what you just said - but none of it leads to a conclusion that he has veto power. It leads to the implication that he has "meddle" power, which is bad enough. Let's indict and convict people for what they actually DO, not for what we project their wickedness to be.

If McD has interfered with hockey decisions, in addition to McD, we should hold Wirtz reonsible, but also Stan Bowman: as GM, if his responsibilities are being interfered with, he should be going to Rocky, saying "get him out of my business or I quit". If, because he wants to keep his position, he doesn't do this, then the main problem is with him.

Meltzer is the man. http://www.hockeybuzz.com...ngs-Doan-Carbomb/45/45723


Carcillo acted as if refs and not the blatant stick infractions themselves were the cause of the penalites. Carcillo is definitely a player with a target on his back from officials. He is one of those players who DOES get reputation penalties and rarely gets the benefit of any doubt. But that's only because he has never earned the benefit of any doubt, and yelling at the refs isn't about to make things better for him. It that instance, both penalty calls were legitimate.
- Mr Ricochet

As stated many times...I have never seen a player more targeted than Carcillo and ..

That point has been completely underestimated by Bowman...

If he can pull a Matt Cooke and settle down maybe Carcillo will be an effective player...But not easy to walk a fine line.

Can we expect the media @ some point to ask why this isn't taking place???
- abvnbyd

No

After the season ended in the spring, Rogers and Kuc were as critical of the team and management as I've ever read them. Everything they've written the last month or so seems right back to toeing the company line. We can hope, but I doubt it.
- NewToHockey

Same thing on the TV broadcast. Pat & Edzo were talking about the short-comings. Don't know about WGN radio with John and Troy. Almost seems like these guys were taken aside and told, "you work for us and you'll not say (that) but you can say (this)".

Same thing on the TV broadcast. Pat & Edzo were talking about the short-comings. Don't know about WGN radio with John and Troy. Almost seems like these guys were taken aside and told, "you work for us and you'll not say (that) but you can say (this)".
- blackhawk24

That's usually how it goes

Winning is the best tool of marketing McD

No
- John Jaeckel

Sounds like some fans need to lease a billboard downtown & start asking their own questions!

Want to explain? You are already dumb. Not sure how you could get dumber. Not sure what you are arguing. Is it Anti, MJ or the great one? This ought to be good!
- PaulNewman

New I lost you at the beginning when I said book. You would have to read. Then to be insulted by a moron who says he did not read the first paragraph of my reply, but replied on the rest.

We have a winner for the biggest Hawk douche on the board. Congrats....You probably think Paul Newman invented salad dressing...

JJ,

In regards to filling needs - 2nd line center, goalie, added toughness are we to assume that nothing will be done via trade?

Have not heard anything in a long time regarding any potential deals or signings.

What is your take on it?

Eklund has Detroit looking at Campoli.....

New I lost you at the beginning when I said book. You would have to read. Then to be insulted by a moron who says he did not read the first paragraph of my reply, but replied on the rest.

We have a winner for the biggest Hawk douche on the board. Congrats....You probably think Paul Newman invented salad dressing...
- TrueGrit

That's uncalled for. Everyone knows he invented popcorn.

Eklund has Detroit looking at Campoli.....
- southernhawk

Didn't he sign overseas? Or was that Lepisto?

Didn't he sign overseas? Or was that Lepisto?
- NewToHockey

Lepisto did, not Campoli.

I agree. Being the marketing whiz I'm sure he would talk about the implications of trading a popular player but I hope he wouldn't veto it if it helped the team. Philly took a big. Risk trading TWO popular core players in Richards and Carter. I still feel they made the right move and solid trades
- tomcat24

Philly took that risk because from the top down they were all on the same page. Snider came out after we got smoked by Boston and said we need bigger forwards and a goalie. They went out and got Schenn, Simmonds, Couturier, Voracek, and Bryz. This season after the Pitt series and NJ, Snider said they need Defense.... along comes an offer sheet to Weber and the acquisition of Luke Schenn. They operate so quickly and smoothly from the top down in the organization. I'm not even sure marketing is involved.... they get what management gives them to work with.

Bryz better watch out though.... Snider recently singled him out for underperforming his expectations.

Philly took that risk because from the top down they were all on the same page. Snider came out after we got smoked by Boston and said we need bigger forwards and a goalie. They went out and got Schenn, Simmonds, Couturier, Voracek, and Bryz. This season after the Pitt series and NJ, Snider said they need Defense.... along comes an offer sheet to Weber and the acquisition of Luke Schenn. They operate so quickly and smoothly from the top down in the organization. I'm not even sure marketing is involved.... they get what management gives them to work with.

Bryz better watch out though.... Snider recently singled him out for underperforming his expectations.
- moylander

Almost every team has a different flow chart of hierarchy.

McDonough is not only in charge of marketing he is 2nd in command. He only takes orders from one person, Rocky and somehow that gets lost.

Snyder has been activley involved for decades and has an unlimited supply of money and a great fan base. He makes the most out of all of it.

But the Flyers haven't won a Cup since 1975, so it does take more than great ownership.

What they do well is to often put themselves in a position to win a Cup.....And that's all fans should ask for.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia

Not sure if this has popped up yet but:

https://twitter.com/Alexa...Zaytsev/...54649890582528

Quote:
Yashin's agent to Sovsport: Alexei has a contract offer from an NHL club. Yashin feels like he's got a few more years in him to play hockey.

Looks like he still has good hands. One year tryout at low salary for worst case #2 center position? Just a thought. Really think he may be too righ risk, low return so hoping Chicago is not that team with the offer to return to the NHL

Almost every team has a different flow chart of hierarchy.

McDonough is not only in charge of marketing he is 2nd in command. He only takes orders from one person, Rocky and somehow that gets lost.

Snyder has been activley involved for decades and has an unlimited supply of money and a great fan base. He makes the most out of all of it.

But the Flyers haven't won a Cup since 1975, so it does take more than great ownership.

What they do well is to often put themselves in a position to win a Cup.....And that's all fans should ask for.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

You bet.. I'd say averaging a SCF every 5.5 years is alright in my book.