I didn't realize fans made coaching and playing time decisions.
- Mattjd123

Who said anything about playing time? Fans and media have been chirping about wanting Schneider over Luongo since the cup final loss.

I live in van and it goes far beyond hockeybuzz.

Although their are alot of brainless posters here, i think a fairly safe assumption can be made that a majority here on hb are more interested in the game than the general 'home team' canadian fan... No?
And thus probably a little better informed...no?

Of course, not all canuck fans hated lu, but he became the general scapegoat here in vancouver. Fact. Theres far more part time fans than their are hardcores man. So no, not a minority.
Even after stretches of fabulous play, a mediocre period would incite madness from johnny canuck fan, screaming for his head.

I too believe he was driven out by the fanbase. And after the way things have played out, i find it surprising and nuck fan in the know disagrees.
Ill take it a step furthur and say gillis and av want him to be their guy, but that ship has sailed.

An elite, classy goalie, who took it all the scapegoating in stride and realized he had to move on
- hugefemale dog77

+1

You sound like some of the canucks fans praising Schneider. Hall has dominated a few games and looks weak in others. One would make a very compelling arguement that neither Hall or RNH will stay healthy long enough to come close to their potential. As for Eric Johnson he I no more then a #4 d man. That is a huge miss at 1st overall
- Bieksa#3

No. No they couldnt. Such a tired argument.

This is such a terrible post for so many reasons...

You're the same guy that said petry is awful right??
This says about all i need to know about your knowledge.
Ill just leave it alone now

Sometimes teams and players just need a change. Luongo gave us a great chance to win a cup, we couldn't do it with him. Now it's time to give Schneider a chance and hope we can do better with him. Nothing about hating Lou, just moving on and seeing if we can seal the deal.

I live in van and it goes far beyond hockeybuzz.

Although their are alot of brainless posters here, i think a fairly safe assumption can be made that a majority here on hb are more interested in the game than the general 'home team' canadian fan... No?
And thus probably a little better informed...no?

Of course, not all canuck fans hated lu, but he became the general scapegoat here in vancouver. Fact. Theres far more part time fans than their are hardcores man. So no, not a minority.
Even after stretches of fabulous play, a mediocre period would incite madness from johnny canuck fan, screaming for his head.

I too believe he was driven out by the fanbase. And after the way things have played out, i find it surprising and nuck fan in the know disagrees.
Ill take it a step furthur and say gillis and av want him to be their guy, but that ship has sailed.

An elite, classy goalie, who took it all the scapegoating in stride and realized he had to move on
- hugefemale dog77

The issue really is that he has a great young backup. Lu won't be getting the surly treatment is he had Raycroft backing him up. But Schneider looks so good and you can't keep both, so Lu gets the boot.

And to qualify Lu's performance over the past few years, he's been great at times and he's been pretty woeful at other times. For 3 years running, he got lit up by the Hawks and lost against lesser tenders in 2 of those years. While his performances were generally fairly strong in the playoffs, he wasn't always the difference maker that the team needed their elite goalie to be.

While I honestly would have been okay with trading either goalie, I do think Schneider is a blue chip player. I expect great things out of him.

No he isn't. Put Schneider on the Oilers and we'll see what he can do with that defense infront of him. Schneider is a good goalie and may be a little better than Dubnyk but saying he is way better is just plain stupid. Especially considering neither of the two have really played with any pressure. Personally I think Vancouver fans are counting their chickens way before they hatch. Goalies are the most unpredictable players in all of sports. Some franchieses go decades (philly) without having a goalie of Luongo's ilk. I can name ton of next big thing goalies that had amazing rookie seasons in the show and turned out to do nothing. Raycroft, Mason, Jim Carey, Pascal Leclaire, Roman Turek, Marty Biron, Manny Fernandez, Roman Chechmanek... the list goes on. Trading Luongo could very well turn out to be the worst move in Canuck history. Especially if Luongo wins a cup. It will be intersting to watch this season in any respect. I would love to see Luongo go to Chicago myself.
- Oilersforlife

.937 is way better than .914 and 1.96 is way lower than 2.67. Not sure how much more obvious it can be. Schneider has significantly better AHL and NHL numbers. Cory's playoff numbers from both leagues are even better than his regular season numbers, while Dubnyk has no playoff stats from either league. I don't think there is anything remotely stupid about saying Schneider is a much better goalie.

I love how some points are only used when they suit ones argument.

I dont think theres a team thread on HB that bashes the oilers worse. U know, ' your defence is terrible, petry is awful, schultz only signed cause he'll get top minutes' etc etc etc.
So with the canucks defence clearly being established as way better than the oilers...dubnyks pretty good, but less than stellar numbers in relation to schneiders on the pres. tropy team dont get a reprieve?

I guess i forgot. Schneider will be a top 5 goalie in the game even though he hasnt been a true # 1 yet.

At this point, i take cory over devan, but not by that much as theyre both unproven over the grind of even 1 full season

Who can blame Luongo for wanting out. Fans and media both blamed Luongo for the SCF collapse.
Vancouver has always been a goalie graveyard. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the goaltenders.
- Starbuck

No we didn't

Good blog I agree with you that the Nucks have the advantage on D and on Goaltending. Which really I would put in one group since a good defense can make a bad goaltender look decent and vise versa a good goaltender can make a bad defense look good.
Looking at thier numbers Schnieder does have the better numbers right now(and he may very well prove to be the main man) I would love to see what dubnyks numbers would look like behind the Nuck defense and what Schnieders numbers would look like behind the Oiler defense.
On forward I would still give Van the advantage only for the expierence of the group.

No we didn't



- VANTEL

I think the majority of canuck fans did. At least thats the feeling i got anyway. And the sentiment ive sorta felt for a few years now around vancouver.

Remember; the canuck fan who only cares about hockey on game night at the pub far outnumbers the hb posters who live and die canucks

"After Whitney and Smid there isn't anything to hang your hat on."

No offense, but Petry and Nick Schultz are nothing to sneeze at either. I won't waste time comparing the 2 teams because it's obvious that Van is a better team, but we are closing the gap.
- SuperM

I read Edmonton has more Timber wolves and Polar Bears than all off western Alaska

I think the majority of canuck fans did. At least thats the feeling i got anyway. And the sentiment ive sorta felt for a few years now around vancouver.

Remember; the canuck fan who only cares about hockey on game night at the pub far outnumbers the hb posters who live and die canucks
- hugefemale dog77

I'm pretty sure there was enough blame going round for all the players after the SCF loss. I've read countless posts, articles, blogs etc saying either:
1. Team couldn't score. 8 goals in 7 games won't get it done in ANY series. Sedin's did not play well enough when it mattered.
2. Luongo was too inconsistent. Needed a big game from him in Boston and in game 7 and he didn't come through.
3. We were missing our top dman... Hard to compete with Boston withouit Hamhuis.
4. Rome woke the sleeping giant.
5. Boston was just the better team.

There have been a ton of different reasons offered for the SCF loss, and only one of them involved Luongo.

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.
- Starbuck

Luongo tossed himself under the bus in boston.... Yes we couldn't score in the finals.... But against a physical defensive team like Boston... with Timmy in net playing unreal. It is near impossible for a team to crawl back from an early 2 or 3 goal deficit due to a bad goal or 2 or 3.... the other team just sits back and traps. That being said we could have won it if our power play wasn't so brutal.

No he isn't. Put Schneider on the Oilers and we'll see what he can do with that defense infront of him. Schneider is a good goalie and may be a little better than Dubnyk but saying he is way better is just plain stupid. Especially considering neither of the two have really played with any pressure. Personally I think Vancouver fans are counting their chickens way before they hatch. Goalies are the most unpredictable players in all of sports. Some franchieses go decades (philly) without having a goalie of Luongo's ilk. I can name ton of next big thing goalies that had amazing rookie seasons in the show and turned out to do nothing. Raycroft, Mason, Jim Carey, Pascal Leclaire, Roman Turek, Marty Biron, Manny Fernandez, Roman Chechmanek... the list goes on. Trading Luongo could very well turn out to be the worst move in Canuck history. Especially if Luongo wins a cup. It will be intersting to watch this season in any respect. I would love to see Luongo go to Chicago myself.
- Oilersforlife

This from an oilers fan..... "the next dynasty" lmao

.937 is way better than .914 and 1.96 is way lower than 2.67. Not sure how much more obvious it can be. Schneider has significantly better AHL and NHL numbers. Cory's playoff numbers from both leagues are even better than his regular season numbers, while Dubnyk has no playoff stats from either league. I don't think there is anything remotely stupid about saying Schneider is a much better goalie.
- micah555

+1

.937 is way better than .914 and 1.96 is way lower than 2.67. Not sure how much more obvious it can be. Schneider has significantly better AHL and NHL numbers. Cory's playoff numbers from both leagues are even better than his regular season numbers, while Dubnyk has no playoff stats from either league. I don't think there is anything remotely stupid about saying Schneider is a much better goalie.
- micah555

They Canucks are toted as one of the top teams in the league. They have far batter D as pointed out in this article. You can't compare stats when comparing these 2 goalies. One plays on a cup contender and the other on the second worst team in the league. Dubnyk faces way higher quality of scoring chances on a regular basis. Stats are relevent, but it's not the end of the story bud. By your logic James Neal had more points than Daniel Sedin, Henrick Sedin, Ryan Kesler and every other Canuck. That clearly means he is the better player right?

I love how some points are only used when they suit ones argument.

I dont think theres a team thread on HB that bashes the oilers worse. U know, ' your defence is terrible, petry is awful, schultz only signed cause he'll get top minutes' etc etc etc.
So with the canucks defence clearly being established as way better than the oilers...dubnyks pretty good, but less than stellar numbers in relation to schneiders on the pres. tropy team dont get a reprieve?

I guess i forgot. Schneider will be a top 5 goalie in the game even though he hasnt been a true # 1 yet.

At this point, i take cory over devan, but not by that much as theyre both unproven over the grind of even 1 full season
- hugefemale dog77

There really hasn't been anything said in this blog or thread that puts down the Oilers as bad as I've seen Cloutier do at times, neither is it inflammatory in any way, as Cloutier occasionally gets with the Canuck (dirtiest team in the league, my ass).

So, essentially what I'm saying is...you're wrong, get over it, and stop being such a ...(wait for it) ...hugebit¢h...77.

I think the majority of canuck fans did. At least thats the feeling i got anyway. And the sentiment ive sorta felt for a few years now around vancouver.

Remember; the canuck fan who only cares about hockey on game night at the pub far outnumbers the hb posters who live and die canucks
- hugefemale dog77

That can be said about any team's fanbase.

Hmm.....I guess with your ability to foretell the future you should have seen the Canucks would never win a Stanley Cup.

Heck, even Calgary has a cup.

We will see if your tune has changed as the Canucks performance continues to head South while the Oilers youth continues to develop. As for signing them. It won't be a problem.
- Sabata

When will that start to happen? I don't see any indication that's happening now or that it will change in the next couple of years.

They Canucks are toted as one of the top teams in the league. They have far batter D as pointed out in this article. You can't compare stats when comparing these 2 goalies. One plays on a cup contender and the other on the second worst team in the league. Dubnyk faces way higher quality of scoring chances on a regular basis. Stats are relevent, but it's not the end of the story bud. By your logic James Neal had more points than Daniel Sedin, Henrick Sedin, Ryan Kesler and every other Canuck. That clearly means he is the better player right?
- Oilersforlife

If James Neal consistently put up better stats than the Sedins or Kesler, then yes, he'd be the better offensive player. As it is, he had a career year and the twin had an average year while Kesler had an short year coming off surgery. Dubnyk hasn't produced the kind of results Schneider has at any level. Ipso facto, I deem Schneider the better netminder.

The Canucks played a run and gun style for much of the season. Having watched Schneider play, he has won games for the team. In the games I've watched Dubnyk play (certainly not exhaustive, I'll admit), he isn't the same kind of game changing goalie. Naturally, this year will be a big one for both guys, but I'm very comfortable saying Schneider is the better goalie and will have the better year.

If James Neal consistently put up better stats than the Sedins or Kesler, then yes, he'd be the better offensive player. As it is, he had a career year and the twin had an average year while Kesler had an short year coming off surgery. Dubnyk hasn't produced the kind of results Schneider has at any level. Ipso facto, I deem Schneider the better netminder.

The Canucks played a run and gun style for much of the season. Having watched Schneider play, he has won games for the team. In the games I've watched Dubnyk play (certainly not exhaustive, I'll admit), he isn't the same kind of game changing goalie. Naturally, this year will be a big one for both guys, but I'm very comfortable saying Schneider is the better goalie and will have the better year.
- micah555

I still think you guys are drastically overrating Schneider... I'm not saying Schneider sucks, I'm saying Schneider isn't a proven commodity.

Schneider should have the better year, he plays on a better team...

You got me there, I'm sure Gagne will go on to score 240 points next season #CONFIRMED.
- 1970vintage

And I'm sure Schneider will destroy all the goaltending records with his performance next year

I still think you guys are drastically overrating Schneider... I'm not saying Schneider sucks, I'm saying Schneider isn't a proven commodity.

Schneider should have the better year, he plays on a better team...
- Starbuck

How much of Schneider did you watch last season?

How much of Schneider did you watch last season?
- Fosco

I watched enough of him to know he has skills....

When he plays a full season as a bonafide number 1 goalie and keeps up the pace he was on then I will concede that he's some kind of Uber Goalie.

I still think you guys are drastically overrating Schneider... I'm not saying Schneider sucks, I'm saying Schneider isn't a proven commodity.

Schneider should have the better year, he plays on a better team...
- Starbuck

I think you don't know how good Schneider is.