Are we seriously comparing games played between goalies and forwards? This is stupid. Goalies play 60 mins a game, forwards play 15-20. You can't compare the two positions. At all.
- nucks_94

well thats way out to left field

yeah they are comparable in the sense of development. one is a linear path, like first round pick forwards and the other isn't, that being goaltenders making the transition to starters.

Goalies better than Schnieder in no particular order:

Quick
Lundquist
Rinne
Price
Thomas (was) Locked in his bunker till retirement...
Kipprusoff
Miller
Howard Not better numbers just more games.
Vokoun Not better by any means.
Halak One great run and playing under one of the best def systems in the league.
Fluery Did you watch the playoffs this year.
Smith Every goalie does that under Tippett, Look at Ilya B.
Luongo still is as much as you won't admit. And look at Luongos numbers beside Corys against LA this year. And for the year besides games played.

Wait till he gets 60 starts this year before you call him a Top 5 goalie.
- Pilgor09

Now I know he hasn't proven that he can play 60 at the NHL level but he has at the AHL... That is all you can really say to argue against him.

Goalies better than Schnieder in no particular order:

Quick
Lundquist
Rinne
Price
Thomas (was)
Kipprusoff
Miller
Howard
Vokoun
Halak
Fluery
Smith
Luongo still is as much as you won't admit

Wait till he gets 60 starts this year before you call him a Top 5 goalie.
- Pilgor09

You forgot Hasek, Roy, and Maclean

Why the smiley? You're not actually proud of that train wreck are you?
- GuyLaDouche

You mean bottom of the league for how many years... IS that the train wreck you are talking about?

Schneider has skills no doubt about it. But there will always be questions about him being a product of the team in front of him.
- Starbuck

He stole a lot of games for the nucks last year.... YOU obviously don't know how much our goalies bailed us out last year. Very uneducated about VAN.

He stole a lot of games for the nucks last year.... YOU obviously don't know how much our goalies bailed us out last year. Very uneducated about VAN.
- SMP8719

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.

Argue it all you like, Schneider is way better than Dubnyk.

Luongo is the more proven goalie for sure. Schneider outperformed him last year though.
- micah555

No he isn't. Put Schneider on the Oilers and we'll see what he can do with that defense infront of him. Schneider is a good goalie and may be a little better than Dubnyk but saying he is way better is just plain stupid. Especially considering neither of the two have really played with any pressure. Personally I think Vancouver fans are counting their chickens way before they hatch. Goalies are the most unpredictable players in all of sports. Some franchieses go decades (philly) without having a goalie of Luongo's ilk. I can name ton of next big thing goalies that had amazing rookie seasons in the show and turned out to do nothing. Raycroft, Mason, Jim Carey, Pascal Leclaire, Roman Turek, Marty Biron, Manny Fernandez, Roman Chechmanek... the list goes on. Trading Luongo could very well turn out to be the worst move in Canuck history. Especially if Luongo wins a cup. It will be intersting to watch this season in any respect. I would love to see Luongo go to Chicago myself.

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.
- Starbuck

This is bang on. Really is classless.

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.
- Starbuck

Sadly, there is truth to this.

It's one thing to predict Schneider will soon be a top 5 goalie but to claim that he is right now is impossible. He hasnt had a single season as the starter and until he *completes* his 1st, the claim is rediculous. The 1a and 1b theory is bs as well because the two would have to have to split the seasons. They havent...it's just stats which don't consider playing or sitting for long stretches etc. Comparing back up to starter stats is not a level playing feild at all...I don't care what arguement anyone presents.

Every Canuck fan expects Cory to continue play the same including me but it's pretty unfair to him to say he's top 5 when he is still waiting to be the #1. AV has played Luongo into the ground in the past. Who knows what the back up situation will be and what kind of stress may be a result of it long term.

Btw, Schneider doesnt like to be called Ginger. He shot down that nickname on HNIC After Hours. He also admitted the cramps in the playoffs two seasons ago were stress related because of the situation. People need to consider him human or he'll be the next victim of the so called goalie graveyard. Maybe his first season as the #1 may be far from his best,,, possibly his worst even.

And most likely most of those 10-13 yrs playing on a team other then the oilers
- Bieksa#3

So weak.

I'm starting to like Flames fans much more. Should be a nice couple of days with the Wild and Avs matchup blogs, I'm sure Leafs and Oiler fans will still show up.

Difference is the oilers forwards play every game, whereas Schneider has played only 58 games in 2 seasons

Edit: plus forwards and forwards picked in the top 3 almost always turn into stars or at least good 1st line players. goaltenders development is more of a crapshoot
- Oil_Addict

There have been plenty of misses first overall when it ones to forwards. Patrick Stefan, Brian Lawton, Alexander Daigle, Doug wikenheiser. We could look at D and say Chris Phillips, Eric Johnson,Roman Hamrlik. History would has shown us that every 4-5 yrs or so there is a Big time miss at 1st overall. Dispite the guilty team pickig the best available player in most cases. Tavaras, Stamkos and Kane all are 1st line players(dispite the fact that Kane is an idiot) Somebody is gonna miss again. There is an extreelygood chance is one of the 3 Oiler picks.

It's one thing to predict Schneider will soon be a top 5 goalie but to claim that he is right now is impossible. He hasnt had a single season as the starter and until he *completes* his 1st, the claim is rediculous. The 1a and 1b theory is bs as well because the two would have to have to split the seasons. They havent...it's just stats which don't consider playing or sitting for long stretches etc. Comparing back up to starter stats is not a level playing feild at all...I don't care what arguement anyone presents.

Every Canuck fan expects Cory to continue play the same including me but it's pretty unfair to him to say he's top 5 when he is still waiting to be the #1. AV has played Luongo into the ground in the past. Who knows what the back up situation will be and what kind of stress may be a result of it long term.

Btw, Schneider doesnt like to be called Ginger. He shot down that nickname on HNIC After Hours. He also admitted the cramps in the playoffs two seasons ago were stress related because of the situation. People need to consider him human or he'll be the next victim of the so called goalie graveyard. Maybe his first season as the #1 may be far from his best,,, possibly his worst even.
- boonerbuck

Are you sure you are a canuck fan? I can see nothing but logic in this post.

So weak.
- hugefemale dog77

But so true

Argue it all you like, Schneider is way better than Dubnyk.

Luongo is the more proven goalie for sure. Schneider outperformed him last year though.
- micah555

No need to argue. This just simply isnt true at this point.

Ban?

But so true
- A_SteamingLombardi

How so?

Are you sure you are a canuck fan? I can see nothing but logic in this post.
- Oilersforlife

It gets me little respect around here thats for sure.

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.
- Starbuck

I didn't realize fans made coaching and playing time decisions.

I know that an ungrateful fan base tossed Luongo under the bus in favor of an unproven goaltender.

Luongo has done allot for the Canucks it's sad to see him being tossed aside because of the Sedins choking in the finals.
- Starbuck

Again another presumption by a fan of another team that gets his evidence from hockeybuzz.

Yes, there were alot of canuck fans on this site calling for Luongo to sit in favour of Schnieder, BUT there was also alot of canuck fans on this site backing Luo and taking a bashing from a vocal minority that spewed negativity at everyone that tried to support Luo.

And it was Luo that made it known that he would entertain waving his NTC if that's what the club desired...not the fan base tossing him under the bus as you put it...VOCAL MINORITY.

There is no need to comment about the Sedins choking because obviously you threw that in there to solicit discord with canuck fans

There have been plenty of misses first overall when it ones to forwards. Patrick Stefan, Brian Lawton, Alexander Daigle, Doug wikenheiser. We could look at D and say Chris Phillips, Eric Johnson,Roman Hamrlik. History would has shown us that every 4-5 yrs or so there is a Big time miss at 1st overall. Dispite the guilty team pickig the best available player in most cases. Tavaras, Stamkos and Kane all are 1st line players(dispite the fact that Kane is an idiot) Somebody is gonna miss again. There is an extreelygood chance is one of the 3 Oiler picks.
- Bieksa#3

Its been more than ten years. The only one u could kinda claim also happens to be the only dman taken in erik johnson.
And even then johnson is becoming a very good two way guy. Just took awhile.

Scouting has come a long way. None of hall, rnh or yaks will be busts.
Rnh is already a stud actually. Halls shown he can dominate games as well. Needs to work on the finer points of the game. And he will.
No worries about yaks..

It's one thing to predict Schneider will soon be a top 5 goalie but to claim that he is right now is impossible. He hasnt had a single season as the starter and until he *completes* his 1st, the claim is rediculous. The 1a and 1b theory is bs as well because the two would have to have to split the seasons. They havent...it's just stats which don't consider playing or sitting for long stretches etc. Comparing back up to starter stats is not a level playing feild at all...I don't care what arguement anyone presents.Every Canuck fan expects Cory to continue play the same including me but it's pretty unfair to him to say he's top 5 when he is still waiting to be the #1. AV has played Luongo into the ground in the past. Who knows what the back up situation will be and what kind of stress may be a result of it long term. Btw, Schneider doesnt like to be called Ginger. He shot down that nickname on HNIC After Hours. He also admitted the cramps in the playoffs two seasons ago were stress related because of the situation. People need to consider him human or he'll be the next victim of the so called goalie graveyard. Maybe his first season as the #1 may be far from his best,,, possibly his worst even.
- boonerbuck

Logic, rationality and no inferiority complex??!
I didnt think this existed in canuckland

[quote=hugefemale dog77]
You sound like some of the canucks fans praising Schneider. Hall has dominated a few games and looks weak in others. One would make a very compelling arguement that neither Hall or RNH will stay healthy long enough to come close to their potential. As for Eric Johnson he I no more then a #4 d man. That is a huge miss at 1st overall

Again another presumption by a fan of another team that gets his evidence from hockeybuzz.

Yes, there were alot of canuck fans on this site calling for Luongo to sit in favour of Schnieder, BUT there was also alot of canuck fans on this site backing Luo and taking a bashing from a vocal minority that spewed negativity at everyone that tried to support Luo.

And it was Luo that made it known that he would entertain waving his NTC if that's what the club desired...not the fan base tossing him under the bus as you put it...VOCAL MINORITY.

There is no need to comment about the Sedins choking because obviously you threw that in there to solicit discord with canuck fans
- Makita

Who can blame Luongo for wanting out. Fans and media both blamed Luongo for the SCF collapse.

Vancouver has always been a goalie graveyard. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the goaltenders.

Again another presumption by a fan of another team that gets his evidence from hockeybuzz.
there were alot of canuck fans on this site calling for Luongo to sit in favour of Schnieder, BUT there was also alot of canuck fans on this site backing Luo and taking a bashing from a vocal minority that spewed negativity at everyone that tried to support Luo.it was Luo that made it known that he would entertain waving his NTC if that's what the club desired...not the fan base tossing him under the bus as you put it...VOCAL MINORITY.here is no need to comment about the Sedins choking because obviously you threw that in there to solicit discord with canuck fans
- Makita

I live in van and it goes far beyond hockeybuzz.

Although their are alot of brainless posters here, i think a fairly safe assumption can be made that a majority here on hb are more interested in the game than the general 'home team' canadian fan... No?
And thus probably a little better informed...no?

Of course, not all canuck fans hated lu, but he became the general scapegoat here in vancouver. Fact. Theres far more part time fans than their are hardcores man. So no, not a minority.
Even after stretches of fabulous play, a mediocre period would incite madness from johnny canuck fan, screaming for his head.

I too believe he was driven out by the fanbase. And after the way things have played out, i find it surprising and nuck fan in the know disagrees.
Ill take it a step furthur and say gillis and av want him to be their guy, but that ship has sailed.

An elite, classy goalie, who took it all the scapegoating in stride and realized he had to move on