I expected a blog and read it. But what you seem to be saying is, if I think I know the answer, I shouldn't read it because his opinion is already known? ...not a bad point actually but I like to stay informed. Just pointing out that an Oilers/Vancouver comparison is fairly pointless for obvious reasons.
- GuyLaDouche

Should he have just skipped the oilers then? No point in doing a comparison since everyone knows the Canucks are better?

And most likely most of those 10-13 yrs playing on a team other then the oilers
- Bieksa#3

Tired. Damn dude, you need a burn seminar or something.

Should he have just skipped the oilers then? No point in doing a comparison since everyone knows the Canucks are better?
- nucks_94

Basically yes.

Tired. Damn dude, you need a burn seminar or something.
- GuyLaDouche

clever, I'm impressed

I am pretty sure Schneider will have a better SV% GAA and more wins that price next year and be 2.5 mil cheaper per year over the next 3 years
- VANTEL

Ya he might.....but if I was a GM I would take Price.

Put Price on the Canucks and they have a better shot at winning the cup IMO.

And most likely most of those 10-13 yrs playing on a team other then the oilers
- Bieksa#3

somewhat presumptuous, little man complex at work again in Vancity

It might not, but answer the question
- Bieksa#3

somewhat presumptuous, little man complex at work again in Vancity
- Oil_Addict

I don't live in Vancouver, excellent effort though

I don't live in Vancouver, excellent effort though
- Bieksa#3

You're from Ontario, even worse.

I don't live in Vancouver, excellent effort though
- Bieksa#3

i care

+1
- Starbuck

From what I've seen, the only goalies that benefit from the teams in front of them are the ones that play on teams that deploy a trap-style system. Having a look at the better stats in the league:

Halak, Elliott, Lundquist, Smith, Quick, Rinne, etc all play on trap-style teams, whereas guys like Niemi, Howard, Fleury, Dubnyk, Schneider/Luongo, Bryzgalov all play on offense first, Dmen jump-into-the-rush style systems.

I don't think Bryzgalov went from consistently elite to swamp donkey in one season because of PHI media pressure (universe jokes aside), nor do I think Smith and Elliot went from leaky sieve to all-star status because they had less pressure or just the right coaching. I watched some DET-NSH games last year where I swore all of DET's 40+ shots were from the perimeter whereas Howard was getting riddled with shots from the slot and making several point blank saves.

Both Schneider and Lu play for a great team, but believe me when I say that both goalies have been left high and dry more times than I can count. I personally can't believe how many odd-man rushes we gave up last year and how often they bailed us out. The President's trophy was down to their performances last year and almost every VAN pundit was admitting as much throughout the season. Trust me, apart from wins (like Fleury, Howard) there is no benefit to any of the other goalie stats when playing for VAN.

I agree with everything except the goalie stuff. C'mon, Schneider top 5 in the NHL? Seriously? I would argue him and Dubnyk are on a similiar playing level. Both 26, Both going into their 1st season as the bonified starter. Schneider's played a back up role with typically easier games to play. Although he played well, he didn't win (frank) all in the playoffs. He may not even be top 30 after this season is done. For the record I would call Luongo top 5. It's my opinion the Canucks should keep Lou and trade Schneider. Even if he does turn into and excellent goalie is he going to be better than Luongo? He may also turn into the next Net Detective.

I agree with everything except the goalie stuff. C'mon, Schneider top 5 in the NHL? Seriously? I would argue him and Dubnyk are on a similiar playing level. Both 26, Both going into their 1st season as the bonified starter. Schneider's played a back up role with typically easier games to play. Although he played well, he didn't win (frank) all in the playoffs. He may not even be top 30 after this season is done. For the record I would call Luongo top 5. It's my opinion the Canucks should keep Lou and trade Schneider. Even if he does turn into and excellent goalie is he going to be better than Luongo? He may also turn into the next Net Detective.
- Oilersforlife

Argue it all you like, Schneider is way better than Dubnyk.

Luongo is the more proven goalie for sure. Schneider outperformed him last year though.

From what I've seen, the only goalies that benefit from the teams in front of them are the ones that play on teams that deploy a trap-style system. Having a look at the better stats in the league:

Halak, Elliott, Lundquist, Smith, Quick, Rinne, etc all play on trap-style teams, whereas guys like Niemi, Howard, Fleury, Dubnyk, Schneider/Luongo, Bryzgalov all play on offense first, Dmen jump-into-the-rush style systems.

I don't think Bryzgalov went from consistently elite to swamp donkey in one season because of PHI media pressure (universe jokes aside), nor do I think Smith and Elliot went from leaky sieve to all-star status because they had less pressure or just the right coaching. I watched some DET-NSH games last year where I swore all of DET's 40+ shots were from the perimeter whereas Howard was getting riddled with shots from the slot and making several point blank saves.

Both Schneider and Lu play for a great team, but believe me when I say that both goalies have been left high and dry more times than I can count. I personally can't believe how many odd-man rushes we gave up last year and how often they bailed us out. The President's trophy was down to their performances last year and almost every VAN pundit was admitting as much throughout the season. Trust me, apart from wins (like Fleury, Howard) there is no benefit to any of the other goalie stats when playing for VAN.
- AlexF

Schneider has skills no doubt about it. But there will always be questions about him being a product of the team in front of him.

From what I've seen, the only goalies that benefit from the teams in front of them are the ones that play on teams that deploy a trap-style system. Having a look at the better stats in the league:

Halak, Elliott, Lundquist, Smith, Quick, Rinne, etc all play on trap-style teams, whereas guys like Niemi, Howard, Fleury, Dubnyk, Schneider/Luongo, Bryzgalov all play on offense first, Dmen jump-into-the-rush style systems.

I don't think Bryzgalov went from consistently elite to swamp donkey in one season because of PHI media pressure (universe jokes aside), nor do I think Smith and Elliot went from leaky sieve to all-star status because they had less pressure or just the right coaching. I watched some DET-NSH games last year where I swore all of DET's 40+ shots were from the perimeter whereas Howard was getting riddled with shots from the slot and making several point blank saves.

Both Schneider and Lu play for a great team, but believe me when I say that both goalies have been left high and dry more times than I can count. I personally can't believe how many odd-man rushes we gave up last year and how often they bailed us out. The President's trophy was down to their performances last year and almost every VAN pundit was admitting as much throughout the season. Trust me, apart from wins (like Fleury, Howard) there is no benefit to any of the other goalie stats when playing for VAN.
- AlexF

Torts would have you skinned alive if he heard you say that.

Schneider has skills no doubt about it. But there will always be questions about him being a product of the team in front of him.
- Starbuck

Sure I admit that, but I honestly believe it's from people that don't understand goaltending. Not hating but just calling out that there's little evidence to support the claim, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Argue it all you like, Schneider is way better than Dubnyk.

Luongo is the more proven goalie for sure. Schneider outperformed him last year though.
- micah555

In all fairness let's see how Dubnyk and Schneider handle being the number one goalie before anointing one better than the other.

At this point in time I would say Schneider is better than Dubnyk but not by a large margin.

You guys need to have some realistic expectations for Schneider.

Torts would have you skinned alive if he heard you say that.
- Juice

Doubtful. His team plays trap and has taken shot-blocking to a whole new level. I can't imagine he'd think his goalie's stats haven't benefited from that.

Argue it all you like, Schneider is way better than Dubnyk.

Luongo is the more proven goalie for sure. Schneider outperformed him last year though.
- micah555

I think in some way he meant its time to put up or shut up for both players. I'd rather have Schneider, but don't discount the fact that Dubnyk had better than a .920 save percentage in the second half of the year when he played 80% of the games. So the wayyy better aspect isn't accurate

Sorry but as far as attempted burns go, it was the equivalent of a Dennis Wideman shootout attempt.
- GuyLaDouche

So let me get this right...Ian is not permitted (in fact he is crazy or an idiot) to suggest the HE thinks that Schnieder is a top 5 goalie in the NHL, based on what little stats he has.

But when someone tries to make the same comparision to all the youngsters the oilers have. And to try to discount the fact that they also don't have NHL pedigree, or to suggest that it may be hard to retain all that talent in years to come.

Well that is just arrogant canucks fans that have no clue what will happen in the future and they over value their players.

BS boys, can't work both ways

So let me get this right...Ian is not permitted (in fact he is crazy or an idiot) to suggest the HE thinks that Schnieder is a top 5 goalie in the NHL, based on what little stats he has.

But when someone tries to make the same comparision to all the youngsters the oilers have. And to try to discount the fact that they also don't have NHL pedigree, or to suggest that it may be hard to retain all that talent in years to come.

Well that is just arrogant canucks fans that have no clue what will happen in the future and they over value their players.

BS boys, can't work both ways
- Makita

Difference is the oilers forwards play every game, whereas Schneider has played only 58 games in 2 seasons

Edit: plus forwards and forwards picked in the top 3 almost always turn into stars or at least good 1st line players. goaltenders development is more of a crapshoot

Difference is the oilers forwards play every game, wheres Schneider has played only 58 games in 2 seasons
- Oil_Addict

Except the ones that they miss. Goddamn pesky injuries...

Except the ones that they miss. Goddamn pesky injuries...
- nucks_94

well playing 130 games in 2 seasons like hall has still gives you a better idea of his potential. Eberle played 78 games this year

well playing 130 games in 2 seasons like hall has still gives you a better idea of his potential. Eberle played 78 games this year
- Oil_Addict

Are we seriously comparing games played between goalies and forwards? This is stupid. Goalies play 60 mins a game, forwards play 15-20. You can't compare the two positions. At all.