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Smid 15 points in 78 games (.19 pp/g)
Staal 5 points in 46 games (.11 pp/g)

Smid 176 hits in 78 games
Staal 55 hits in 46 games

Smid +4
Staal -7
(Smid on a much worse defensive team)

Smid 184 blocked shots in 78 games
Staal 68 blocked shots in 46 games

Smid also played our toughest minutes (by far). He was much better than Staal was this year it wasn't even close.
- gretzky

not saying he wasn't better this year. i'm just saying that staal will regain his allstar form next season for sure because he was showing it again finally in the playoffs.

you shouldn't be comparing them because we aren't trading them. yea smid is a very good defenseman but so is staal and wouldn't it be awesome to have them both on a team?

i would hate to trade staal because with a top 6 of....
girardi - mcd
staal - mdz
erixon - sauer/mcilrath/stralman/bickell/whatever

....trading staal would destroy our depth immensely. our top 4 are all 1st line defensemen and you could argue erixon is one too.

was it really that bad? erixon was ranked like the 6th best prospect in the entire nhl at one point and is not only nhl ready but projected to be an elite top pair defenseman.

and marc staal is an allstar.

and thomas is a very solid prosepct.

and then you have the pick.

yea you get rid of 1 of your wonder kids but get 2 first line defensemen, a prospect more than capable of playing in the top 6 when he's nhl ready and that pick.
- rangerdanger94

- Marc Staal is two years away from UFA, there is a strong chance he will try to sign with the Canes.

- We have enough solid prospects, this helps us in no way.

- Erixon didn't want to play in Calgary and pretty much forced a trade to the NYR. Why would he want to come to Edmonton?

- 1st round pick is closer to being a 2nd round pick

not saying he wasn't better this year. i'm just saying that staal will regain his allstar form next season for sure because he was showing it again finally in the playoffs.

you shouldn't be comparing them because we aren't trading them. yea smid is a very good defenseman but so is staal and wouldn't it be awesome to have them both on a team?

i would hate to trade staal because with a top 6 of....
girardi - mcd
staal - mdz
erixon - sauer/mcilrath/stralman/bickell/whatever

....trading staal would destroy our depth immensely. our top 4 are all 1st line defensemen and you could argue erixon is one too.
- rangerdanger94

I was referencing the poster that said Staal would be "head and shoulders" our 2nd best D man after a healthy Whitney. It's false. Smid is simply better.

- Marc Staal is two years away from UFA, there is a strong chance he will try to sign with the Canes.

- We have enough solid prospects, this helps us in no way.

- Erixon didn't want to play in Calgary and pretty much forced a trade to the NYR. Why would he want to come to Edmonton?

- 1st round pick is closer to being a 2nd round pick
- Starbuck

-good point. it's a scary thought that he might bolt but i don't think marcs a fruitcake like that where he wants to play with his brothers. we'll see with this one tho down the line.

-also a valid point i suppose. i put thomas in there to help make up for losing one of eberle/hall since he's projected to be a top 6 scoring winger.

-this is also true but erixon wasn't signed when he was in calgary. now he's under contract and has no choice, although it would be unwise for you guys to trade for a player if you know he doesn't want to play.

-it's actually a 2nd round pick closer to being a 3rd round pick

There's one problem with that, Weber would have to actually agree to sign the offer sheet. Not something he'd do IMO.
- LeftCoaster

Weber would sign an offer sheet just like Vanek and Penner did. Why wouldn't he? It allows him to get a salary and a year term that he likes. He knows Nashville will meet it and thus he doesn't have to negotiate a contract with them just like Vanek. There is a small chance he gets moved to Edmonton but he has all but asked for a trade at this point anyways. Worst case scenario, he plays a year and asks to be traded.

Don't kid yourself into thinking that Dmen are not being overpaid this summer. There might not be a year like this for a while. He would be smart to lock in at just over 8 for 13 years and call that a career. This would be the time and Nashville isn't going to offer those numbers unless pressured into it.

With that said... Weber is good but Edmonton could probably offer a trade to Nashville that included Whitney, Hemsky, N. Shultz and prospects that would persuade be better for the oilers than an offer sheet. I don't think Edmonton is willing to mortgage their future like Toronto did for Kessel, just for Weber when they have such strong young dmen.

I was referencing the poster that said Staal would be "head and shoulders" our 2nd best D man after a healthy Whitney. It's false. Smid is simply better.
- gretzky

ah. well again, i won't say who's better because i don't watch smid play but i'd be hesitant if i were you to say smid is betetr for a fact no questions asked. staal was one of the best defenseman in the league before his concussion and he's just 25 and only getting better.

defensively, staal is amazing and offensively, he's becoming better. smids career high in points is 15 which was last season and staal was pushing 30 before his concussion.

again, not saying smid isn't an awesome defenseman. just saying you might be undervaluing staal a bit and i don't think it's fair for you to say that smid is 100% better.

would u guys do a McDonagh for Eberle/Hall trade out of curiosity?

As a CBJ fan I have to say no way is Hemsky and Gagner enough for Nash. $5mil a year for 36 points? And people say Nash is overpaid? Hemsky hasn't done squat since 2009.

-good point. it's a scary thought that he might bolt but i don't think marcs a fruitcake like that where he wants to play with his brothers. we'll see with this one tho down the line.

-also a valid point i suppose. i put thomas in there to help make up for losing one of eberle/hall since he's projected to be a top 6 scoring winger.

-this is also true but erixon wasn't signed when he was in calgary. now he's under contract and has no choice, although it would be unwise for you guys to trade for a player if you know he doesn't want to play.

-it's actually a 2nd round pick closer to being a 3rd round pick
- rangerdanger94

Erixon was quite set on playing for the team his dad played for (NYR).

You never go full retard man...
- Pilgor09

wait, what?

ah. well again, i won't say who's better because i don't watch smid play but i'd be hesitant if i were you to say smid is betetr for a fact no questions asked. staal was one of the best defenseman in the league before his concussion and he's just 25 and only getting better.

defensively, staal is amazing and offensively, he's becoming better. smids career high in points is 15 which was last season and staal was pushing 30 before his concussion.

again, not saying smid isn't an awesome defenseman. just saying you might be undervaluing staal a bit and i don't think it's fair for you to say that smid is 100% better.

would u guys do aMcDonagh for Eberle/Hall trade out of curiosity?
- rangerdanger94

No. Value is fair for Eberle (not Hall sorry) but Eberle is more or less an untouchable. If he is traded it's for someone like Shea Weber or something not McDonough. Just not quite proven enough IMO.

No
- gretzky

you're a tough safe to crack

it's alright though. i wouldn't trade McD for those kids either unless you threw in more.

you're a tough safe to crack

it's alright though. i wouldn't trade McD for those kids either unless you threw in more.
- rangerdanger94

Edited with reasoning.

Edited with reasoning.
- gretzky

fair enough. after watching mcd play, if he keeps improving at the rate he did last season (which was just his first full season in the nhl) then he will be equally as good as weber imo.

but you're right. he's unproven atm and might not be worth hall yet.

I like how you laugh at this. Sure, that wouldn't get Nash. Its clear. But the "lolz look at whatchew offered for Nash no wayz dat gets him dey suckzorz hurt hurrrr!" when you guys suggest your spare parts for stars in trade proposals on a regular basis. Try posting normally instead of attempting cleverness.
- GuyLaDouche

WTF are you talking about?
Who is you guys?

fair enough. after watching mcd play, if he keeps improving at the rate he did last season (which was just his first full season in the nhl) then he will be equally as good as weber imo.

but you're right. he's unproven atm and might not be worth hall yet.
- rangerdanger94

I am personally skeptical of ALL D men.

There are a ton of D men that have shown flashes of greatness but never seem to nail it down consistently year after year.

If I am trading Eberle it's for a D man that's 100% going to be our #1 D man for a long time. MCd might be that guy, but I am not 100% on it.

Have you looked at them?
- robin_steele264

Yes! I sure have.

Hemsky and Gagner for Nash?


- WafflesAtACC

He said "I'm not sure Gagner and Hemsky for Nash gets it done" obviously he knows it's not even close to getting it done.

Feel free to edit your post to pretend that you read it properly without trolling.

Erixon was quite set on playing for the team his dad played for (NYR).
- Starbuck

Yep... he's not going anywhere.

staal + erixon + thomas + 2nd for eberle/hall?
- rangerdanger94

Erixon didnt want to be in Calgary. Why would Edmonton want him?

That a horrible trade man.

Erixon didnt want to be in Calgary. Why would Edmonton want him?

That a horrible trade man.

- Iggysbff

well he's got no choice.

in calgary, he never signed his ELC and would've re-entered the draft if calgary didn't move him. now that he's signed the contact, he has no choice but to play for whatever team he's traded to.

but i understand your concerns. why have a guy that you know doesn't want to play for you? it's just asking for locker room drama.

I love how many TO fans are the ones slamming the three-way trade concept.

How's your summer going, Leafs fans? Bored much?

I love how many TO fans are the ones slamming the three-way trade concept.

How's your summer going, Leafs fans? Bored much?
- Maxbone

Hey man, as far as i can see it's not the 3 wat trade idea. It's the slight unsureness you are having that Hemsky and Gagner PROBABLY wouldn't get Nash.

Cheers

He said "I'm not sure Gagner and Hemsky for Nash gets it done" obviously he knows it's not even close to getting it done.

Feel free to edit your post to pretend that you read it properly without trolling.
- Juice

Further to your point (and thanks for that) Howson said he wanted two immediate players. You could see a deal whereas it's Gagner, Hemsky, a 2nd round pick in 2013 and a 1st in 2014, or something like that. Four assets.

Of course, the Oilers would want more in return from whatever team Nash is sent to. Perhaps you're looking at Staal + Dubinsky from the Rangers.

Hey man, as far as i can see it's not the 3 wat trade idea. It's the slight unsureness you are having that Hemsky and Gagner PROBABLY wouldn't get Nash.

Cheers
- walshyleafsfan1

He thinks Hemsky can land Crosby......no surprise there....

He thinks Hemsky can land Crosby......no surprise there....
- Alexzanki

He can't?