What was the actual trade? I'm just talking hypothetical bs.
- Lahey

hypothetical bs

You could? That looks (frank)ing awful to me. Puts a poopload of burden on a 19 year old, as no pivots beneath him can really do much offensively. Plays literally die on the sticks of Horcoff and Belanger.
- GuyLaDouche

I don't think Gagner out and Staal/Del Zotto/whoever in makes us a worse team.

We have good wingers, we can make up for a lack of a 2C.

I think Del Zotto would be a better long term fit. Staal will jump ship to Carolina in a couple of seasons.
- Starbuck

MDZ for sure. I like his game better. More what we need.

Still can't think of a legitimate reason why NYR will do that.

I think Del Zotto would be a better long term fit. Staal will jump ship to Carolina in a couple of seasons.
- Starbuck

Joke is on them, they will be relocated to Quebec and all the Staals will be here.

Yes that's right, that J.Staal who didn't want to play behind Malkin and Crosby will play behind RNH and E.Staal.

MDZ for sure. I like his game better. More what we need.

Still can't think of a legitimate reason why NYR will do that.
- GuyLaDouche

Wasn't Del Zotto in the original offer at the TDD?

MDZ for sure. I like his game better. More what we need.

Still can't think of a legitimate reason why NYR will do that.
- GuyLaDouche

NYR are better off without Nash... Sather will only take Nash on the cheap not at the inflated retard Howson price.

Joke is on them, they will be relocated to Quebec and all the Staals will be here.

Yes that's right, that J.Staal who didn't want to play behind Malkin and Crosby will play behind RNH and E.Staal.
- Lahey

That went right over my head...

well gagner is believable but if hemsky put up 70+ points that would be insane cuz it would most likely be in somewhere around 38.7 games sooo ya that would boggle me
- DarcyTucker16

Seems like he's finally healthy now.

And he's put up over 70 points already in his career.


Cross my fingers, but he's certainly due for a healthy season.

That went right over my head...
- Starbuck

Odd considering you have a boner

Nash to Pittsburgh for Simon Despres and a second asset. I'd love to suggest Chris Letang, but that isn't going to happen. Brooks Orpik is too old to make sense, and no one wants Paul Martin and his big, ugly contract. The Pens are absolutely stacked with D prospects, so the loss of Despres could be survived. Maybe big Eric Tangradi would be the 2nd player coming in the deal?

I don't think the Penguins would have any interest in this deal.

I'm sure that both Despres and Tangradi could be had for the right price, but Nash's remaining 6yrs at $7.8M/yr is just too steep for a player of Nash's caliber. He wouldn't fit into the Pens Cap system and he isn't good enough to displace guys like Malkin, Crosby, or Neal.

The Penguins (ideally) are looking for a young, upper-tier W who is not a stand-alone Superstar, but one who can play a complimentary role to either Crosby or Malkin while earning $4-5.5M/yr. Think Bobby Ryan, Jamie Benn, or Dustin Brown.

The Oilers have the potential to be a good trade partner for the Pens given the opposite needs (Pens need young, Top-6 W's / Oilers need young Defensemen) and lack of direct competition, but I doubt either team would want to part of the necessary pieces required to entice each other.

I don't think the Penguins would have any interest in this deal.

I'm sure that both Despres and Tangradi could be had for the right price, but Nash's remaining 6yrs at $7.8M/yr is just too steep for a player of Nash's caliber. He wouldn't fit into the Pens Cap system and he isn't good enough to displace guys like Malkin, Crosby, or Neal.

The Penguins (ideally) are looking for a young, upper-tier W who is not a stand-along Superstar, but one who can play a complimentary role to either Crosby or Malkin while earning $4-5.5M/yr. Think Bobby Ryan, Jamie Benn, or Dustin Brown.

The Oilers have the potential to be a good trade partner for the Pens given the opposite needs (Pens need young, Top-6 W's / Oilers need young Defensemen) and lack of direct competition, but I doubt either team would want to part of the necessary pieces required to entice each other.
- s0rcerer1984

Yeah pair him up with Crosby or Malkin and I bet he displaces Neal pretty quick.

Hemsky (who no one wants) and Gagner for Nash? hahahahha...oh ya Clouts, you said a 3rd asset...that 3rd asset would have to be Hall, Nuge, Yaks, or Ebs...
That is honestly terrible...

I do however like the concept, but the assets you will need to trade to get Nash, won't be recovered when you deal him away...

To get your top2 d-man, one of the big4 will need to go, or next years 1st...

Hemsky (who no one wants) and Gagner for Nash? hahahahha...oh ya Clouts, you said a 3rd asset...that 3rd asset would have to be Hall, Nuge, Yaks, or Ebs...
That is honestly terrible...

I do however like the concept, but the assets you will need to trade to get Nash, won't be recovered when you deal him away...

To get your top2 d-man, one of the big4 will need to go, or next years 1st...
- BoBBeR56

I like how you laugh at this. Sure, that wouldn't get Nash. Its clear. But the "lolz look at whatchew offered for Nash no wayz dat gets him dey suckzorz hurt hurrrr!" when you guys suggest your spare parts for stars in trade proposals on a regular basis. Try posting normally instead of attempting cleverness.

Yeah pair him up with Crosby or Malkin and I bet he displaces Neal pretty quick.
- robin_steele264

I don't think he does. Nash (i) costs $3.8M/yr more & (ii) 4yrs older than Neal. I'm not saying Nash isn't a better player, but he isn't worth the additional cost. I mean, is $3.8M/yr worth the extra 22G's Nash got over Neal during the past 4yrs?

The Penguins don't necessarily need elite W's; they have two elite C's that make above-average W's (Kunitz, Neal, Dupuis) look better than they are. They need good W's that can produce with an elite C at a $4-5.5M/yr price.

staal + erixon + thomas + 2nd for eberle/hall?

I don't think he does. Nash (i) costs $3.8M/yr more & (ii) 4yrs older than Neal. I'm not saying Nash isn't a better player, but he isn't worth the additional cost. I mean, is $3.8M/yr worth the extra 22G's Nash got over Neal during the past 4yrs?

The Penguins don't necessarily need elite W's; they have two elite C's that make above-average W's (Kunitz, Neal, Dupuis) look better than they are. They need good W's that can produce with an elite C at a $4-5.5M/yr price.
- s0rcerer1984

7.8-5 = 3.8

?

staal + erixon + thomas + 2nd for eberle/hall?
- rangerdanger94

No way erixon value is alot higher then u think .... Maybe for RnH or Yak
Staal +dubi+thomas and 2nd for hall

7.8-5 = 3.8

?


- robin_steele264

Woops. My bad....$2.8M/yr.

Still, I just don't see Nash's play being worth a $2.8M/yr premium over what Neal already offers the Pens.

If you are a GM you can't have elite players at each and every posistion given the Cap. Pens have focused on C and D for the most part while skimping a bit on W's. I just don't see Nash offering up enough value to not only part with the necessary assets, but also pay him an amount of money long-term that might cause the Pens lose a guy like Letang in a few years.

staal + erixon + thomas + 2nd for eberle/hall?
- rangerdanger94

If Whitney is healthy no way he is on the third pairing.

Marc Staal and him would be the 2 best defenseman on the team by far.
- Pilgor09

Smid is MUCH better than Staal is right now. Smid was a beast last year.

In fact I like Staal, but 5 points and a -7 on the Rangers isn't great.

Smid 15 points in 78 games (.19 pp/g)
Staal 5 points in 46 games (.11 pp/g)

Smid 176 hits in 78 games
Staal 55 hits in 46 games

Smid +4
Staal -7
(Smid on a much worse defensive team)

Smid 184 blocked shots in 78 games
Staal 68 blocked shots in 46 games

Sorry Pilgor but you are either severely overrating Staal or severely underrating Smid if you think Staal is head and shoulders better.

- Starbuck

was it really that bad? erixon was ranked like the 6th best prospect in the entire nhl at one point and is not only nhl ready but projected to be an elite top pair defenseman.

and marc staal is an allstar.

and thomas is a very solid prosepct.

and then you have the pick.

yea you get rid of 1 of your wonder kids but get 2 first line defensemen, a prospect more than capable of playing in the top 6 when he's nhl ready and that pick.

Smid is MUCH better than Staal is right now. Smid was a beast last year.

In fact I like Staal, but 5 points and a -7 on the Rangers isn't great.
- gretzky

i haven't seen smid play so i won't say who's better than who but let me say that marc staal became marc staal again in the playoffs. after missing half a season with his concussion, the 2nd half of the regular season was really bleh for him but once the playoffs started he regained his form and was one of our top defenseman again logging huge minutes and playing in big situations.

next season, after actually going through training camp, i fully expect staal to be an allstar once again.

i haven't seen smid play so i won't say who's better than who but let me say that marc staal became marc staal again in the playoffs. after missing half a season with his concussion, the 2nd half of the regular season was really bleh for him but once the playoffs started he regained his form and was one of our top defenseman again logging huge minutes and playing in big situations.

next season, after actually going through training camp, i fully expect staal to be an allstar once again.
- rangerdanger94

Added this after:

Smid 15 points in 78 games (.19 pp/g)
Staal 5 points in 46 games (.11 pp/g)

Smid 176 hits in 78 games
Staal 55 hits in 46 games

Smid +4
Staal -7
(Smid on a much worse defensive team)

Smid 184 blocked shots in 78 games
Staal 68 blocked shots in 46 games

Smid also played our toughest minutes (by far). He was much better than Staal was this year it wasn't even close.

Staal is a good D man who will get better but coming off a bad year you can't really say he is "head and shoulders" above anyone in our top 4 TBH

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- Maxbone

So Richard are you now saying being a girl is a bad thing...as the blogger here, atleast try and keep it somewhat professional!

Hemsky and Gagner for Nash?