Even if Weber signed an offer sheet, Nashville would just match.
- Al Hacker

That's where I disagree. If one of the top 10 teams tried to offer sheet him, Nashville would match b/c 4 late 1st round picks would suck. But if Edmonton offer sheeted him, the potential for a year or 2 of top 10 picks might entice Poile to look the other way.

Personally, I wish they would change the rules to that if you offer sheeted a person, you had the length of the contract to determine when you wanted to take the draft picks. That would make it quite interesting and would allow teams more flexibility to move players. So if you offered sheeted a player to a 10 year contract at max compensation, the team would have 10 years to decide when to use those 4 picks.

That's where I disagree. If one of the top 10 teams tried to offer sheet him, Nashville would match b/c 4 late 1st round picks would suck. But if Edmonton offer sheeted him, the potential for a year or 2 of top 10 picks might entice Poile to look the other way.

Personally, I wish they would change the rules to that if you offer sheeted a person, you had the length of the contract to determine when you wanted to take the draft picks. That would make it quite interesting and would allow teams more flexibility to move players. So if you offered sheeted a player to a 10 year contract at max compensation, the team would have 10 years to decide when to use those 4 picks.
- dgutzman

What's the buzz on Ellis in Nashville? What kind of Return would he fetch? Would Paajarvi straight up for him do the trick?

Hey guys,

No trolling here, but can we please agree on it's not only Leafs fans/bloggers that overvalue their players. Hemsky and Gagner for Nash. Not sure if that gets it done? Yeah, maybe not Clouts, but oh so close. Throw in Belanger and the Jackets would be creaming themsevles.

What's the buzz on Ellis in Nashville? What kind of Return would he fetch? Would Paajarvi straight up for him do the trick?
- ystoil

No. Ellis has way more potential then Paajarvi. Paajarvi hasn't managed to prove himself after how many years on a last place team? Ellis had a starting role on D in his rookie season on a playoff team. No comparison.

Whether or not you like cloutier atleast you have a blogger and he blogs daily about the team you cheer for; wishing the bolts could get a blogger of their own.

I think this would work screw Nash

Edm:mdz,dubi,1st and 2nd rounder

NYR:hall,paarj(can't spell) ,2nd rounder

Hahaha oh Clouts! Thanks for the laugh bud. You're such a joke, no one wonder the legit hockey media chirps you.

No. Ellis has way more potential then Paajarvi. Paajarvi hasn't managed to prove himself after how many years on a last place team? Ellis had a starting role on D in his rookie season on a playoff team. No comparison.
- dgutzman

He's only played two seasons. His rookie season he scored 15 goals and played all 82 games then faced the sophomore slump. Ellis also only played 3 playoff games and, correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt make opening roster. I don't doubt Ellis' potential being higher than Paajarvi but they absolutely are comparable at this point. I've also read doubts on Ellis' 5 on 5 potential, your thoughts on him being a regular vs a power play specialist?

Richard Cloutier: Could the Oilers Deal for Rick Nash?
- Maxbone

You must be bored to do a blogg like this knowing Nash doesnt want to play in a Canadian city ....but for the fun of it ,Nash for Paarvi, Gagner and maybe Klefbom

Richard Cloutier: Could the Oilers Deal for Rick Nash?
- Maxbone

Final thought would be.....Nash wouldn't accept a deal to Edmonton.

I'm not sure Gagner and Hemsky for Nash gets it done

If you're not sure about that, then you should just quit blogging right now.


Howson would laugh at that deal.



I guess you need the hits.

Nash for Paarvi, Gagner and maybe Klefbom
- Alexzanki

staal + 1st for eberle

isnt what columbus wants in the deal
2 top 6 forwards
a prospect
2 first round picks
???
i know they said the price will be dropping but how in the hell would just gagner and hemsky get it done? im guessing the price will drop to maybe a B level prospect and 1 1st gets changed to a 2nd or something... i dont think theyre thowing up a going out of business sign

He's only played two seasons. His rookie season he scored 15 goals and played all 82 games then faced the sophomore slump. Ellis also only played 3 playoff games and, correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt make opening roster. I don't doubt Ellis' potential being higher than Paajarvi but they absolutely are comparable at this point. I've also read doubts on Ellis' 5 on 5 potential, your thoughts on him being a regular vs a power play specialist?
- ystoil

We haven't seen that much of him on the power play, but that will change this year with Suter moving on. Ellis may find himself on the 1st line with Weber on the PP , if Weber hasn't been traded.

1 80 point season. Wooptie frank.

Don't give me the whole he has no one to play with, if you're getting paid near Crosby money you better be a franking point scoring machine by yourself.
- Pilgor09

80 points by yourself isnt a scoring machine?
man his best player to play was was like david vyborny... give the guy a break

Richard Cloutier: Could the Oilers Deal for Rick Nash?

Would Sam Gagner + Ales Hemsky be enough?

- Maxbone

not even remotely close...


Add RNH and a 1st and you're getting in Howson's wheelhouse...


EDIT: and I'm not saying that's reasonable, I'm saying that's the price...

Yeah no. His contract is brutal, but thats where it ends.

6'4-220. Fantastic skater, hands, shot. Eff his point totals, hes a goal scorer. over 30 goals 8 times and 40 twice. Never had a legit #1 center either.

Love the idea of a 3 way trade where we get staal. But still no to hall at center.

Maybe somethin like

Cbj- gagner, hemsky, 2013 1st

Nyr- nash and gernat



Is this reasonable? Or way off?
- hugefemale dog77

way off... oil dont give up enough... honestly as much as he is a good player hemskys value because of injuries is poop... gagner is gagner some value... the 1st is good... but its not enough for staal and dubi

not even remotely close...


Add RNH and a 1st and you're getting in Howson's wheelhouse...
- Big_Lightnin

yea howson is asking something along the lines of stepan + MDZ + hagelin + miller + 1st for nash.

80 points by yourself isnt a scoring machine?
man his best player to play was was like david vyborny... give the guy a break
- DarcyTucker16

correction he did 80 pts with MALHOTRA as his center.......

Schools in Toronto don't teach kids how to read, I guess.
- Maxbone

i think the schools in TO only teach all things leafs.. but one could say, had you grown up in the presence of a school, this article would have stayed in the trash bin where it belongs.... if the oilers had any chance of getting and or flipping Nash, it would have happened months ago, that is what makes this story irrelevant... maybe irrelevant is harsh, lets just say outlandish.

btw nyr is not trading Staal to the oil... he'll only be traded to the canes, when his current deal is up.

The deal that Ottawa offered was apparently acceptable, which was Foligno (young top 6 forward scoring just under 50 points), and our two top prospects in potential number 1 goalie Robin Lehner (19 year old goalie who carried his team to a Calder Cup champiosnhip) and last years 6th overall pick C/W Mika Zibanejad. If we, for the sake of argument say this is an acceptable deal, then the idea that Columbus would want Gagner and Hemsky seems flawed. Gagner makes sense, Hemsky doesn't. Doesn't fit at all what they are looking for.

Nash's value loses stock daily. His contract is huge and a team that wants a big forward normally wants him fill holes in that position. It is a good thought that a three way deal where another team deals the required forwards and takes dmen in return gets this done.

I don't know if you are aware of how these things work. With a three way trade the deal is done at the same time. He doesn't move to edmonton for the day with his family and then get shipped to NY. He wouldn't be agreeing to play in Edmonton, he would be agreeing to play in NY.

Do I think that at this point Nash's value has sunk low enough that it is worth Hemsky and Gagner... Absolutely. Columbus gets two young forwards with offensive ability. Look at their numbers and their age. Name another team that can offer that at this point.





Do I think Edmonton should make the trade... no. I think a second line center needs to be found before gagner is shipped out. I don't think Hartkenen is ready for anything past third line. No use bolstering the defense by overpaying our forwards. We are oiler fans. We watch the games. We know what Hemsky and Gagner are worth. Their value will go up this year by double if they can stay healthy.

A big trade is not the answer at this point. The roster is in a great spot for rebuilding. All trad-able assets won't get their proper return until they show some wins.
- bsteinley

so what your saying is leaf fans get criticized for saying luongos value has dropped because his own team is replacing him and hes proven to choke in numerous playoffs... but a teams franchise player who is still a top goal scorer in the league and has no knock against him other than being maybe 1 mill per year overpaid is allowed to go to edmonton for an undersized average 2nd line centre and a consistent hospital bill?


ps... if you look at every other team in the league they could offer an equivalent if not better valued deal than hemsky and gagner... not to mention... hemskys 28... hes not "young" hes in his prime meaning if he doesnt get career'd injured hes already at his peak

correction he did 80 pts with MALHOTRA as his center.......
- Alexzanki

BOOOOOOM... you got me

Any blog that throws out Hamilton as a player they would receive in exchange for any asset is not worth reading any further.