If you want Nash you need to give them Halls.
- Deadmau55

In all seriousness no. Like..a huge no. Just..no.

Dont like cap hit, but I'd do that deal.
- GuyLaDouche

I didn't think anyone would get it.

In all seriousness no. Like..a huge no. Just..no.
- GuyLaDouche

It was a joke my good man.

I didn't think anyone would get it.

- Deadmau55

Richard Cloutier: Could the Oilers Deal for Rick Nash?
- Maxbone

yes, they could but they won't. they'd be insane to bring in a guy at that salary with all the young kids who will demand big bucks in a few years. it ain't happening.

dumb.

(frank) you gipetto ima leader not a puppet

If Whitney is healthy no way he is on the third pairing.

Marc Staal and him would be the 2 best defenseman on the team by far.
- Pilgor09

Couldn't agree with this statement more. Why do you always under sale Whitney?

No, Gagner and Hemsky wouldn't be enough. Come on Cloutier. He wouldn't agree to a trade to Edmonton and even if he would it would take at least one of the players Edmonton fans are adamant will never be traded.

This whole blog.... just...... ugh, I don't even know what to say.
- Jeffmt

Nash's value loses stock daily. His contract is huge and a team that wants a big forward normally wants him fill holes in that position. It is a good thought that a three way deal where another team deals the required forwards and takes dmen in return gets this done.

I don't know if you are aware of how these things work. With a three way trade the deal is done at the same time. He doesn't move to edmonton for the day with his family and then get shipped to NY. He wouldn't be agreeing to play in Edmonton, he would be agreeing to play in NY.

Do I think that at this point Nash's value has sunk low enough that it is worth Hemsky and Gagner... Absolutely. Columbus gets two young forwards with offensive ability. Look at their numbers and their age. Name another team that can offer that at this point.

Do I think Edmonton should make the trade... no. I think a second line center needs to be found before gagner is shipped out. I don't think Hartkenen is ready for anything past third line. No use bolstering the defense by overpaying our forwards. We are oiler fans. We watch the games. We know what Hemsky and Gagner are worth. Their value will go up this year by double if they can stay healthy.

A big trade is not the answer at this point. The roster is in a great spot for rebuilding. All trad-able assets won't get their proper return until they show some wins.

This blog may be worse than a Matt Barry trade blog.

Three way deals are not common, as you say, but they do happen!

Id rather have Jaybo over Nash that's how much I hate him.
- Pilgor09

I don't hate Nash.

But, I would prefer J.Bo over Nash.

Let's get retarded in here!

Let's get retarded in here!
- robin_steele264

That is a relatively easy prescription. Anytime an Oiler blogger or fan leads with the idea of either a Hemsky deal or a Gagner trade you know that things are about to become unsettled. But, to put Hemsky and Gagner in the same deal goes totally over the cliff, even for the most rabid Oiler fan.

That is a relatively easy prescription. Anytime an Oiler blogger or fan leads with the idea of either a Hemsky deal or a Gagner trade you know that things are about to become unsettled. But, to put Hemsky and Gagner in the same deal goes totally over the cliff, even for the most rabid Oiler fan.
- spatso

I wonder how people will react if Hemsky puts up 70+ points and Gagner puts up 60+ points this year?


Heads would explode.

You never go full retard man...
- Pilgor09

Too late, but that happened a while back. Hemsky and Gagner for Nash. LOL.

Richard Cloutier: Could the Oilers Deal for Rick Nash?
- Maxbone

Well of course Gagner + Hemsky is not enough for Rick Nash. Even Gags + Hemsky + 3rd asset doesn't get there. Just like our pursuit of a top 4 dman, we wouldn't get Nash without giving one of the kids.

The bigger problem here is that if Nash could fetch Hamilton +. Despres + or Staal why would they take Gags and Hemmer? They are not so set at D that they wouldn't take a young stud Dman.

I don't think it makes sense for the oilers to use Nash in trying to nab a top 4 dman and I don't think it makes any sense for Columbus to use Edmonton.

Why doesn't Edmonton just put in an offer sheet for Shea Weber? Yes, it would cost you 4 1st rounders, but you wouldn't loose any current assets, the assumption is you would drastically improve, thus lowering the impact of those 1st rounders. Then you could trade Gagner and Hemsky at the trade deadline for draft picks to recoup some of the loss.

You'd have Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Shultz, and Weber locked up. Maybe you finish with the 10th worst record this year. Getting Weber and losing the 10th pick is a no brainer. Next year you add another piece, Say you make the playoffs but lose in the first round. So you give up a pick around 17. Still a no brainer for Weber. The following year you add your last piece to the puzzle. Deep runs in the playoffs for the next several years which makes losing 2 more 1st rounders OK.

People think he is good because he can hide behind Kieth and Seabrook.

I could play behind those 2 and look better than that chump. It's almost embarrassing to watch him play.
- Pilgor09

Still Hjalmarsson would be a top 2 pairing in Edmonton if you look at your defenders.

Why doesn't Edmonton just put in an offer sheet for Shea Weber? Yes, it would cost you 4 1st rounders, but you wouldn't loose any current assets, the assumption is you would drastically improve, thus lowering the impact of those 1st rounders. Then you could trade Gagner and Hemsky at the trade deadline for draft picks to recoup some of the loss.

You'd have Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Shultz, and Weber locked up. Maybe you finish with the 10th worst record this year. Getting Weber and losing the 10th pick is a no brainer. Next year you add another piece, Say you make the playoffs but lose in the first round. So you give up a pick around 17. Still a no brainer for Weber. The following year you add your last piece to the puzzle. Deep runs in the playoffs for the next several years which makes losing 2 more 1st rounders OK.
- dgutzman

There's one problem with that, Weber would have to actually agree to sign the offer sheet. Not something he'd do IMO.

There's one problem with that, Weber would have to actually agree to sign the offer sheet. Not something he'd do IMO.
- LeftCoaster

Not sure he wouldn't do that. He knows he needs a long term contract before the new CBA goes into affect. Offer him a lifetime front loaded contract. Weber is from BC and would love to go to Vancouver. But Edmonton is close enough and he just might bite. Especially considering the young talent. He wouldn't face the pressure of having to carry the team, would help solidify the work being done to get a new arena, and would add that building block on D that other FA down the road would be attracted to. Name me one FA who wouldn't consider how his career might improve if he had the chance to play along side of Weber or on a team that featured Weber.

Still Hjalmarsson would be a top 2 pairing in Edmonton if you look at your defenders.
- Arosen74

Have you looked at them?

Why doesn't Edmonton just put in an offer sheet for Shea Weber? Yes, it would cost you 4 1st rounders, but you wouldn't loose any current assets, the assumption is you would drastically improve, thus lowering the impact of those 1st rounders. Then you could trade Gagner and Hemsky at the trade deadline for draft picks to recoup some of the loss.

You'd have Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Shultz, and Weber locked up. Maybe you finish with the 10th worst record this year. Getting Weber and losing the 10th pick is a no brainer. Next year you add another piece, Say you make the playoffs but lose in the first round. So you give up a pick around 17. Still a no brainer for Weber. The following year you add your last piece to the puzzle. Deep runs in the playoffs for the next several years which makes losing 2 more 1st rounders OK.
- dgutzman

We have hall and Ebs next summer that could be offer sheeted and rnh the year after. There are consequences. Also, although I'm a huge fan of weber but giving up four first rounders is scary to me personally. Long term franchise health would be at stake. The other side is if we do get weber they better start improving the bottom six for some better effing secondary scoring. Basically of they offer sheet weber they better be looking to not just contend for the playoffs but the cup, webers cap hit will be huge and may put keeping our young core of forwards together difficult. I personally don't think offer sheeting is a good way of business. Wait a year and make a pitch for Him as a ufa, we probably won't make the playoffs this year anyways.

There's one problem with that, Weber would have to actually agree to sign the offer sheet. Not something he'd do IMO.
- LeftCoaster

Even if Weber signed an offer sheet, Nashville would just match.

We have hall and Ebs next summer that could be offer sheeted and rnh the year after. There are consequences. Also, although I'm a huge fan of weber but giving up four first rounders is scary to me personally. Long term franchise health would be at stake. The other side is if we do get weber they better start improving the bottom six for some better effing secondary scoring. Basically of they offer sheet weber they better be looking to not just contend for the playoffs but the cup, webers cap hit will be huge and may put keeping our young core of forwards together difficult. I personally don't think offer sheeting is a good way of business. Wait a year and make a pitch for Him as a ufa, we probably won't make the playoffs this year anyways.
- ystoil

Weber is younger then Suter, so you could tack on a 14th year and reduce the cap hit a little more. It would still be a cap hit around 8 million. Signing Weber would give you a better chance at resigning 2 of the 3 big RFA's. If you had to lose one, I'd say Hall due to his injury concerns and trade his rights for some draft picks. If you can trade Hemsky , you can use the money to sign Eberle. Next year's Free Agent group will be the opposite of this year..Next year will have plenty of FA's that you can pick from to replenish the bottom 6.

"I could live with last place again. Long term positive implications would be massive"

that's great and all, but both Eberle and Hall have stressed how they want to start winning, anything else is not accepted, they Oilers tank this season coming up, what exactly do you think it does to the confidence of these kids?...the time for winning is now, not saying they are gonna make the playoffs this year, but they better not be last place.