btw im not trolling or trying to be a Richard. i actually like the oilers threads the most besides the rangers ones.

i'm just enjoying a friendly debate and defending my own team's players like you guys are so if i come off wrong i apologize and know it's all for fun

you're just being a little female dog now lol.

hagelin is the fastest skater in the nhl. fact.

therefore, hagelin is faster than hall. fact.

i showed you the first 3 sources on google that ALL stated kreider is faster than hagelin. i could find 20 more if i had the time.

how about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFZOQWkawY

at the END of his 40 second shift, kreider takes like 3 or 4 strides and is through the neutral zone and almost at the top of the circles.... IN JUST 3 OR 4 STRIDES. WHILE HE'S TIRED.

show me more proof of hall being faster than kreider because i think i've shown enough evidence to back my claim.

you haven't shown me anything. it's your turn buddy.
- rangerdanger94

Its rumoured Hall is faster..

btw im not trolling or trying to be a Richard. i actually like the oilers threads the most besides the rangers ones.

i'm just enjoying a friendly debate and defending my own team's players like you guys are so if i come off wrong i apologize and know it's all for fun
- rangerdanger94

I would get more into this debate if I wasnt busy at work. We know your not trolling man.

i'm saying he's faster than hall and probably faster than hagelin so he's probably the fastest in the nhl.

there's no way to prove it and at one point the little bit of difference in speed betwene the fastest skaters doesn't really matter but kreider is definately up there.
- rangerdanger94

Carl Hagelin (12.963)
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...kills/fastest-skater.html

Taylor Hall (13.97)
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=611670

Hagelin is faster than Hall... We have have no way to figure out how quick Kreider is but it would be safe to assume he's in the same range.

Eberle + Hall + RNH + Yakupov + Gagner + Schultz + Petry + Klefbom for Nash?

Carl Hagelin (12.963)
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...kills/fastest-skater.html

Taylor Hall (13.97)
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=611670

Hagelin is faster than Hall... We have have no way to figure out how quick Kreider is but it would be safe to assume he's in the same range.
- Starbuck

Couldn't Laughs just capture him and chase him on the ice?

Eberle + Hall + RNH + Yakupov + Gagner + Schultz + Petry + Klefbom for Nash?
- laughs2907

Last time I checked Steve Nash played basketball, why would we want him?

Carl Hagelin (12.963)
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...kills/fastest-skater.html

Taylor Hall (13.97)
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=611670

Hagelin is faster than Hall... We have have no way to figure out how quick Kreider is but it would be safe to assume he's in the same range.
- Starbuck

fair enough

at that point... it doesn't really matter. the difference in speed is so minimal.

Eberle + Hall + RNH + Yakupov + Gagner + Schultz + Petry + Klefbom for Nash?
- laughs2907

Edmonton better sweeten the pot. I mean you would have to pay extra for Columbus to take bums like RNH, Eberle and Hall.

Eberle + Hall + RNH + Yakupov + Gagner + Schultz + Petry + Klefbom for Nash?
- laughs2907

Tambi needs to add a 1st

fair enough

at that point... it doesn't really matter. the difference in speed is so minimal.
- rangerdanger94

exactly...

fair enough

at that point... it doesn't really matter. the difference in speed is so minimal.
- rangerdanger94

so that defeats your point then?

Couldn't Laughs just capture him and chase him on the ice?
- Lahey

I'm afraid of what would happen if Laughs caught him.

How about something like this?
McDonough and Kreider
Hall, N. Schultz ++
N. Schultz fills in the whole left by McDonough in NYR and McDonough pairs up with newbie J. Schultz to help stabilize his transition to the NHL game. If Hall- our only legitimate top-6 natural LW- gets shipped out, another top-6 LW has to be coming back. I would've suggested Hagelin, but I feel that he's already built significant bond with his linemates and has developed a trust with Torts. Kreider is essentially exactly what our top line needs going forward. A big, fast, power forward scorer to complement Nuge and Eberle. Hall is a lot of what Torts loves. He's a fast, determined scorer who absolutely hates losing. He'll do almost anything to win and, for that, I feel he'd become one of Torts' favourites. The ++ could be anywhere from our 2014 1st to a current roster player. You decide.
- MaximumBone

Depending on the plus, id do this trade.
2013 2nd?

I'm afraid of what would happen if Laughs caught him.
- Starbuck

That boy would be in for some serious man lovin

it really depends on the ++.

mcdonagh could honestly be traded for any one of your superkids in a 1 for 1 trade and it would be fair to be honest. losing him for n. schultz would be a HUGE hit for our defense.

then losing kreider for hall is a solid upgrade in offense but i'm not sure if it's enough to warrant losing McD. i expect kreider to be a 25-35 goal scorer and hall a 30-50 goal scorer so it's a decent upgrade but i don't think those extra 10ish goals warrants giving up the future best defenseman in the NHL.

it depends on that ++.
- rangerdanger94

Amazing how overrated a player can get with one good year..

You're joking right?

1. Kreider:A big, fast, power forward scorer to complement Nuge and Eberle. - yet that's what Hall is...
- BigDre

Big? I wouldn't call Hall big. Kreider is 6'3" 220lbs.

2. This trade doesn't address the Oilers needs this year

3. McD had one good year...
- BigDre

Firstly, he's had 1.5 great years. Second, by that definition, so too has Hall. It's not like Hall is an absolute superstar as of yet. I'm almost certain he will become that, but I'm also sure that McD IS already a top pairing Dman whose ceiling has yet to be reached.

5. None of the fantastic four will be moved for at least a few years
- BigDre

Of course they won't. This is just the kind of talk that occurs during a slow offseason where the Oilers are more static than usual. I'm stoked to see how well Hall plays with his bum shoulder fixed

Big? I wouldn't call Hall big. Kreider is 6'3" 220lbs.



Firstly, he's had 1.5 great years. Second, by that definition, so too has Hall. It's not like Hall is an absolute superstar as of yet. I'm almost certain he will become that, but I'm also sure that McD IS already a top pairing Dman whose ceiling has yet to be reached.



Of course they won't. This is just the kind of talk that occurs during a slow offseason where the Oilers are more static than usual. I'm stoked to see how well Hall plays with his bum shoulder fixed
- MaximumBone

50 goals in 38 games?

Amazing how overrated a player can get with one good year..
- gretzky

Yakupov 0 good years
RNH 1 good year
Hall 1.5 good years
McD 1.5 good years
Eberle 2 good years

Amazing how much we Oilers fans seem to overrate our own players. By the way, that "one good year" saw him playing over 25 minutes per night on most nights. Compare that to Hall's sheltered, second line-ish minutes, and you should begin to see a discrepancy. If we want a top pairing Dman, it will cost us.

Big? I wouldn't call Hall big. Kreider is 6'3" 220lbs.



Firstly, he's had 1.5 great years. Second, by that definition, so too has Hall. It's not like Hall is an absolute superstar as of yet. I'm almost certain he will become that, but I'm also sure that McD IS already a top pairing Dman whose ceiling has yet to be reached.



Of course they won't. This is just the kind of talk that occurs during a slow offseason where the Oilers are more static than usual. I'm stoked to see how well Hall plays with his bum shoulder fixed
- MaximumBone

Fat bastard

50 goals in 38 games?
- Oilfan19

Nah! 29 games AT MOST

Big? I wouldn't call Hall big. Kreider is 6'3" 220lbs.



Firstly, he's had 1.5 great years. Second, by that definition, so too has Hall. It's not like Hall is an absolute superstar as of yet. I'm almost certain he will become that, but I'm also sure that McD IS already a top pairing Dman whose ceiling has yet to be reached.



Of course they won't. This is just the kind of talk that occurs during a slow offseason where the Oilers are more static than usual. I'm stoked to see how well Hall plays with his bum shoulder fixed
- MaximumBone

Big difference between a 1st overall living up to expectations and having 1.5 great years by age 20 than a 12th overall pick who has exceeded expectations having 1.5 great years by age 23.

Couldn't Laughs just capture him and chase him on the ice?
- Lahey

Sign me up.

Nah! 29 games AT MOST
- MaximumBone

DECCCCCCCCCENT

Last time I checked Steve Nash played basketball, why would we want him?
- Lahey

Because he looks like an alien.