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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 19 @ 5:10 PM ET
Don't worry.

Shane Doan is coming to Montreal!

- Pecafan Fan

FAKKKKK
basementfloor
Montreal Canadiens
Location: My Big Mac only had one meat and too much special sauce :(
Joined: 08.05.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
Don't worry.

Shane Doan is coming to Montreal!

- Pecafan Fan

offer sheet?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:12 PM ET
offer sheet?
- basementfloor


No. Over payment of a 35+ player that the habs will be stuck with on their cap for the lenght of the deal.

IT'S COMING!
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:14 PM ET
Well, they have Hal Gill!
- Pecafan Fan


They have a few up and coming d-mens like Ryan Ellis and Roman Josi but those kids definitely arnt ready to take to load left by Suter and possibly Weber..
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:25 PM ET
Looks like they have to. They will get very little as compensation.
- RENATO6


4 1st rounders, talk about very little compensation
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:26 PM ET
4 1st rounders, talk about very little compensation
- QuebecPride


In 4 different drafts. And most likely, bottom of the 1st round picks.


You take that, or 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:30 PM ET
4 1st rounders, talk about very little compensation
- QuebecPride


Would you trade the 5 first rounders the habs drafted this year for Weber?
eihcnerf
Location: if he was banned because al
Joined: 06.05.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:34 PM ET
In 4 different drafts. And most likely, bottom of the 1st round picks.


You take that, or 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?

- Pecafan Fan

*remembers when it looked like the Flyers won the Lindros trade*
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:34 PM ET
Would you trade the 5 first rounders the habs drafted this year for Weber?
- Oilhab


in all seriousness? not a chance in hell. ill take my chances with those picks.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:35 PM ET
In 4 different drafts. And most likely, bottom of the 1st round picks.


You take that, or 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?

- Pecafan Fan


Could be argued that Weber was a late pick himself and that getting an additional first round pick 4 years straight is definitely an advantage for the preds. Gives them a lot of room for trades too.

I mean just think about it, two first round picks per year every year for four years. They're bound to pick a couple NHL players with so many 1st rd picks and chances are one of them will be on Weber's level.
eihcnerf
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Jul 19 @ 5:36 PM ET
in all seriousness? not a chance in hell. ill take my chances with those picks.
- DoubleDown

IndEEd.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
IndEEd.
- eihcnerf


i mean it's not like Weber's proven he can single-handedly elevate a team
Tee-Dot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: For being Stee's alternate personality or being associated with M. Night Shyamalan?
Joined: 12.11.2008

Jul 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
In 4 different drafts. And most likely, bottom of the 1st round picks.


You take that, or 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?

- Pecafan Fan

I can't wrap my (frank)in head around the contradiction if this asinine post.

You said "You take that...meaning bottom of the 1st round picks... OR 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?!" actually makes no (frank)ing sense.

If they were to take aforementioned bottom of the 1st round picks, they would ALSO have to take 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game.

Ergo, your insightful and well thought-out post should have read "You take that, AND 14 years of Shea Weber playing the opposing team top lines in all situations for 26-27 minutes per game?".

Thank you for playing, now please GTFO and STFU... promptly.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:40 PM ET
So......

The Preds, they're (frank)ed, right?

- Pecafan Fan


Dude if you look at their depth without Weber, they're are indeed in big big trouble.
PRICEless
Montreal Canadiens
Location: On sait JAMAIS!!! Faut pas jet, QC
Joined: 10.11.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:41 PM ET
Dude if you look at their depth without Weber, they're are indeed in big big trouble.
- QuebecPride


Like i said, Ellis and Josi. Not much depth there but at least the cupboards arnt bare.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:43 PM ET
in all seriousness? not a chance in hell. ill take my chances with those picks.
- DoubleDown

K in all seriousnessness, I realize most of you (frank)ers are higher then a mother(frank)er on Mr.Gaylenchukney, so we will ignore him.

The flyers replace Pronger with Weber, so it is save to say the flyers will finish anywhere between 20 and 30 in each of the next 4 years, so lets say 25.

Looking at the last 4 years ( not including this years draft) the 25th overall has been as follows.

Stuart Percy
Quinton Howden
Jordon Caron
Greg Nemisz

Would you choose those 4 players over Shea Weber?
Tee-Dot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: For being Stee's alternate personality or being associated with M. Night Shyamalan?
Joined: 12.11.2008

Jul 19 @ 5:45 PM ET
K in all seriousnessness, I realize most of you (frank)ers are higher then a mother(frank)er on Mr.Gaylenchukney, so we will ignore him.

The flyers replace Pronger with Weber, so it is save to say the flyers will finish anywhere between 20 and 30 in each of the next 4 years, so lets say 25.

Looking at the last 4 years ( not including this years draft) the 25th overall has been as follows.

Stuart Percy
Quinton Howden
Jordon Caron
Greg Nemisz

Would you choose those 4 players over Shea Weber?

- Oilhab

But the gret Marty seems to think the Flyers will keep the picks AND get Weber.
eihcnerf
Location: if he was banned because al
Joined: 06.05.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:45 PM ET
i mean it's not like Weber's proven he can single-handedly elevate a team
- DoubleDown

Pretty sure he can. However a chance at 8 1st round picks in 4 years is (frank)ing staggering, you have to believe you can at least draft well enough to make it worth it, even the habs as badly as they have drafted in the past in the 1st round, couldnt (frank) that up. Also Philly's 1st rounders may be low 1st rounders, but i doubt nashville's are without Weber and Suter and (frank) all for offense.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:46 PM ET
K in all seriousnessness, I realize most of you (frank)ers are higher then a mother(frank)er on Mr.Gaylenchukney, so we will ignore him.

The flyers replace Pronger with Weber, so it is save to say the flyers will finish anywhere between 20 and 30 in each of the next 4 years, so lets say 25.

Looking at the last 4 years ( not including this years draft) the 25th overall has been as follows.

Stuart Percy
Quinton Howden
Jordon Caron
Greg Nemisz

Would you choose those 4 players over Shea Weber?

- Oilhab


nope. i was just saying i would take our top 4 this year over Weber, but Galchenyuk makes that deal. but i think our top 4 draft slots this year are worth more than 4 25th overalls, again, mainly because of the value of that #3 pick/Galchenyuk.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
nope. i was just saying i would take our top 4 this year over Weber, but Galchenyuk makes that deal. but i think our top 4 draft slots this year are worth more than 4 25th overalls, again, mainly because of the value of that #3 pick/Galchenyuk.
- DoubleDown

Yes so exclude mr chukney as the Preds are not going to get a top 5 pick from the flyers.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 19 @ 5:48 PM ET
QP.. give me some hope that they wont match
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
QP.. give me some hope that they wont match
- Crimsoninja

Your only hope is how the deal is structured with the bonuses and whether or not the Preds Owner feels he can pay that poop out.
eihcnerf
Location: if he was banned because al
Joined: 06.05.2009

Jul 19 @ 5:50 PM ET
nope. i was just saying i would take our top 4 this year over Weber, but Galchenyuk makes that deal. but i think our top 4 draft slots this year are worth more than 4 25th overalls, again, mainly because of the value of that #3 pick/Galchenyuk.
- DoubleDown

I do not believe he factored in where Nashville will be picking without Suter and Weber. This will be huge as well.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:50 PM ET
Pretty sure he can. However a chance at 8 1st round picks in 4 years is (frank)ing staggering, you have to believe you can at least draft well enough to make it worth it, even the habs as badly as they have drafted in the past in the 1st round, couldnt (frank) that up. Also Philly's 1st rounders may be low 1st rounders, but i doubt nashville's are without Weber and Suter and (frank) all for offense.
- eihcnerf


maybe but my point was that he hasn't proven it. he's anchored a D with another #1 guy and played in front of one of the game's best goalies and the Preds still dont do poop in the playoffs. i think in Philly he can be the missing piece but Nashville, even with him, is far, far away from a Cup because if you look at past Cup winners/partcipants, the one common thread is staggering offensive depth. so i think from a hockey satandpoint, Nashville should walk away and take those picks.

Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
I do not believe he factored in where Nashville will be picking without Suter and Weber. This will be huge as well.
- eihcnerf

They could end up picking near the bottom even with Weber, so it doesn't matter
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