I'm with you man. Frankly despite all his post-season goalscoring we have 0 cups to show for it and he's been on the ice for some back-breaking goals against. Not all his fault but he's a weakness that other teams exploit, especially when we play defensive minded teams that can limit his scoring, thus capitalizing on their opportunities against. The overtime goal against NJ where he took a moronically timed line-change comes to mind.
- JoeRussomanno

That wasnt Briere. I think it was Schenn

I find that ridiculous. Without Briere, they don't even get to the two rounds you cherry picked his stats from.
- feelingkettle

Not to mention we don't need Laughton shelling out rent money when he can live at The Danny B skate and stay resort

My gut tells me weber stays in Nash. I feel if homer stands pat for another month Ryan could be had for a better price for us. Depending on the new cba, Anaheim will need some space to re-sign some guys, Perry and getzlaf, extend some youngins, Fowler and sbisa, so cap might be needed. Ryan's 5.1 could be too much for them. Read will be a good deal for them imho. Maybe read and a third. Add a lower prospect.

I'll put it to you this way, if they replaced him with a player that can limit the other team's scoring then you don't need the massive offensive numbers. In other words if Staal isn't out there getting a goal a game in the first round, then the rest of the team is giving you enough offense. When Briere is playing against teams that can smother his offense, then his defensive weakness is exacerbated thus leading to a loss.
- JoeRussomanno

So Danny Briere being on the ice is going to lead to a loss, except when it doesn't? Again, I'd argue that his play leads to more wins in the playoffs than losses. You seem to want to pin losses on Briere, and not acknowledge what else he brings to the table, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs since the lockout. You pick the two rounds against NJ and Boston where the Flyers team as a whole sucked, and then pin it on Briere. Yet you say nothing about the games or series he's won for the team.

Are there bad matchups for him in the playoffs? Sure. Is he not the best defensively? Obviously. But I cannot understand why you discount the other side, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs for the past 7 something years. How many other players are close to his numbers? You can't do that without being on teams that are overall more successfull than not in the playoffs. So because of that, allow me to disagree when you say his play leads to more losses than wins.

Also, from Bill's own blog that we're arguing in,

Despite the defensive disadvantage Briere has in even strength matchups against much larger pivots, Briere's offensive prowess (especially in the playoffs, where he is the NHL's leading goal scorer since the 2004-05 lockout) makes up for it. When you figure in power play points -- which count the same on the scoreboard as even strength goals for or goals against -- Briere's positives outweigh any negatives.

I guess, JoeRussomano, I will just never understand your irrational hatred of Danny Briere. When you said his career was already over in this past regular season, I told you he'd be back in the playoffs. He did not do great in the NJ series, but no one else on the team did either. And they don't even get to that round without Danny B's scoring in the round before it.


I will argue no more about this.

Good day.

I'll put it to you this way, if they replaced him with a player that can limit the other team's scoring then you don't need the massive offensive numbers. In other words if Staal isn't out there getting a goal a game in the first round, then the rest of the team is giving you enough offense. When Briere is playing against teams that can smother his offense, then his defensive weakness is exacerbated thus leading to a loss.
- JoeRussomanno

That was why they addressed the defense and goaltending, to help hide his deficiencies.

But looking at Briere's CORSI, Fenwick and other numbers tell us the balance the Flyers get from him is about equal. His bad defense doesn't hurt more than his offensive production helps.

That wasnt Briere. I think it was Schenn
- KINGKENZO

It was Briere, Schenn and one of the defensemen. Only Coburn and Simmonds were in any kind of position to do anything on the ice at the time of the transition, and only Coburn was in the area when the goal was scored...with 3 Devils to handle.

It was Briere, Schenn and one of the defensemen. Only Coburn and Simmonds were in any kind of position to do anything on the ice at the time of the transition, and only Coburn was in the area when the goal was scored...with 3 Devils to handle.
- Jsaquella

Gus

That was why they addressed the defense and goaltending, to help hide his deficiencies.

But looking at Briere's CORSI, Fenwick and other numbers tell us the balance the Flyers get from him is about equal. His bad defense doesn't hurt more than his offensive production helps.
- Jsaquella

I agree with you. I still think Danny on a wing is good. Just not with g. I think on a line with coots would be sweet. Maybe simmer coots Danny. Thought?

I said Read, MAB, and pick just not a first. Your in agreement then.
- stveshdy

Sorry, I see the OR there now. Yep, agreed. No more and I would rather give up Read then Voracek and Gus over MAB (right handed and big more physical player). I would give up the 1st rounder as well. I think that is a fair offer- and I think the world of Bobby Ryan.

So Danny Briere being on the ice is going to lead to a loss, except when it doesn't? Again, I'd argue that his play leads to more wins in the playoffs than losses. You seem to want to pin losses on Briere, and not acknowledge what else he brings to the table, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs since the lockout. You pick the two rounds against NJ and Boston where the Flyers team as a whole sucked, and then pin it on Briere. Yet you say nothing about the games or series he's won for the team.

Are there bad matchups for him in the playoffs? Sure. Is he not the best defensively? Obviously. But I cannot understand why you discount the other side, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs for the past 7 something years. How many other players are close to his numbers? You can't do that without being on teams that are overall more successfull than not in the playoffs. So because of that, allow me to disagree when you say his play leads to more losses than wins.

Also, from Bill's own blog that we're arguing in,



I guess, JoeRussomano, I will just never understand your irrational hatred of Danny Briere. When you said his career was already over in this past regular season, I told you he'd be back in the playoffs. He did not do great in the NJ series, but no one else on the team did either. And they don't even get to that round without Danny B's scoring in the round before it.


I will argue no more about this.

Good day.
- feelingkettle

My gut tells me weber stays in Nash. I feel if homer stands pat for another month Ryan could be had for a better price for us. Depending on the new cba, Anaheim will need some space to re-sign some guys, Perry and getzlaf, extend some youngins, Fowler and sbisa, so cap might be needed. Ryan's 5.1 could be too much for them. Read will be a good deal for them imho. Maybe read and a third. Add a lower prospect.
- Deasr1

And our cap will be cool in that trade scenario? I'm getting closer to being done with this offseason and finding out if the flyers d can move the puck out of the zone

Not to mention we don't need Laughton shelling out rent money when he can live at The Danny B skate and stay resort
- Just5

Favorite post I have read today

I agree with you. I still think Danny on a wing is good. Just not with g. I think on a line with coots would be sweet. Maybe simmer coots Danny. Thought?
- Deasr1

I think Briere would be good on a line with either Couturier or Giroux. If he's with G, he can focus on shooting, a role he relished when paired with Leino and Hartnell. If he's with Couturier, he can shoot and help to find Couturier in spots where his size and hands can lead to goals.

I also think Briere would be good with Schenn at center.

And our cap will be cool in that trade scenario? I'm getting closer to being done with this offseason and finding out if the flyers d can move the puck out of the zone
- Just5

I believe they definitely can make it work. On my RAZR maxx so can't capgeek it right now. Need an app for hb

My personal opinion is to move Briere to the wing and take some pressure off of his defensive game. He's not good in the middle of the ice defensively and his size doesnt help either when he's getting outmatched between the dots and to the net.
- stveshdy

He doesn't need to have one set position lined up for him. The game is of constant changing and matching. You can have Danny on the wing for defensive zone face-offs, but on the dot for offensive zone draws. Lots of combinations and work-arounds.

Gus
- feelingkettle

Bad bad Gus on that play. A play that had him seeing purple in his sleep and come October.... When he's awake

He doesn't need to have one set position lined up for him. The game is of constant changing and matching. You can have Danny on the wing for defensive zone face-offs, but on the dot for offensive zone draws. Lots of combinations and work-arounds.
- bradleyc4

The point still remains the same. Briere on the wing while in the defensive zone.

That was why they addressed the defense and goaltending, to help hide his deficiencies.

But looking at Briere's CORSI, Fenwick and other numbers tell us the balance the Flyers get from him is about equal. His bad defense doesn't hurt more than his offensive production helps.
- Jsaquella

get the same results in 15 minutes of danny briere as you do ryan reaves. the score remains tied, but with briere it's significantly less boring.

https://twitter.com/camch...status/224996340252409856

And our cap will be cool in that trade scenario? I'm getting closer to being done with this offseason and finding out if the flyers d can move the puck out of the zone
- Just5

The Flyers have $7.8mm in actual space and $12mm+ in theoretical space(Pronger LTIR, Shelley and Walker to AHL), so yeah adding Ryan and signing Voracek is possible.

get the same results in 15 minutes of danny briere as you do ryan reaves. the score remains tied, but with briere it's significantly less boring.

https://twitter.com/camch...status/224996340252409856
- OrangeBlack27

Basically, but Briere's skill level also makes others better. If I'm a coach and Briere's out there, I know I need to mark him. I'm not sweating Ryan Reaves

Ryan can't either, dude....
- Giroux_Is_God

what gutting are you talking about? There are different levels...The weber gutting would be something along the lines of lindros. Ryan gutting doesnt come close.

And our cap will be cool in that trade scenario? I'm getting closer to being done with this offseason and finding out if the flyers d can move the puck out of the zone
- Just5

I think the Flyers defense will be just fine moving the puck out of the zone. They have enough talent and skill to get the job done.

So Danny Briere being on the ice is going to lead to a loss, except when it doesn't? Again, I'd argue that his play leads to more wins in the playoffs than losses. You seem to want to pin losses on Briere, and not acknowledge what else he brings to the table, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs since the lockout. You pick the two rounds against NJ and Boston where the Flyers team as a whole sucked, and then pin it on Briere. Yet you say nothing about the games or series he's won for the team.

Are there bad matchups for him in the playoffs? Sure. Is he not the best defensively? Obviously. But I cannot understand why you discount the other side, i.e. being the leading scorer in the playoffs for the past 7 something years. How many other players are close to his numbers? You can't do that without being on teams that are overall more successfull than not in the playoffs. So because of that, allow me to disagree when you say his play leads to more losses than wins.

Also, from Bill's own blog that we're arguing in,



I guess, JoeRussomano, I will just never understand your irrational hatred of Danny Briere. When you said his career was already over in this past regular season, I told you he'd be back in the playoffs. He did not do great in the NJ series, but no one else on the team did either. And they don't even get to that round without Danny B's scoring in the round before it.


I will argue no more about this.

Good day.
- feelingkettle

Okay I don't where I never acknowledged that he scores a ton of goals in the playoffs. I'm just pointing out he's a liability in 5 on 5 play. There's no getting around that. In the playoffs that will kill you and it has hurt the Flyers, there's nothing irrational about me saying that. Aside from the blackhawks you typically don't see a team that plays so wide open winning many cups these days. Defense trumps offense, maybe that can be debated, but when I look at the Cup winners of late it's hard to say other wise. Even the Penguins learned that the hard way this year.

As for what Bill said, that is one of the very few times I disagree. I'd rather a guy that doesn't give up much 5 on 5 and scores little vs a guy that scores a lot and gives up a lot.

If you read my other posts where I pointed out that perhaps this coaching staff isn't using him properly I'd say that totally debunks your accusation of me being totally Irrational and hating the player. I don't hate him, just he's not my cup of tea when it comes to players. That's a far cry from hatred.

Okay I don't where I never acknowledged that he scores a ton of goals in the playoffs. I'm just pointing out he's a liability in 5 on 5 play. There's no getting around that. In the playoffs that will kill you and it has hurt the Flyers, there's nothing irrational about me saying that. Aside from the blackhawks you typically don't see a team that plays so wide open winning many cups these days. Defense trumps offense, maybe that can be debated, but when I look at the Cup winners of late it's hard to say other wise. Even the Penguins learned that the hard way this year.

As for what Bill said, that is one of the very few times I disagree. I'd rather a guy that doesn't give up much 5 on 5 and scores little vs a guy that scores a lot and gives up a lot.

If you read my other posts where I pointed out that perhaps this coaching staff isn't using him properly I'd say that totally debunks your accusation of me being totally Irrational and hating the player. I don't hate him, just he's not my cup of tea when it comes to players. That's a far cry from hatred.
- JoeRussomanno

- stveshdy

What up, Dog?