I'm with you man. Frankly despite all his post-season goalscoring we have 0 cups to show for it and he's been on the ice for some back-breaking goals against. Not all his fault but he's a weakness that other teams exploit, especially when we play defensive minded teams that can limit his scoring, thus capitalizing on their opportunities against. The overtime goal against NJ where he took a moronically timed line-change comes to mind.
- JoeRussomanno

He's the leading playoff scorer since the lockout. What defensive minded teams have limited him in the playoffs? Everything tightens up in the playoffs anyway, and there he is, producing. Pretty sure we'd still have 0 cups even if Danny was more of a D forward.

Frankly, a lot of this female doging about Briere sounds very Matt Barryesque.

Also, I thought Gus was the one that blew the line change in OT.

Three more years of Danny Boy.
- stveshdy

Well the flipside to my argument is, if you can get him on a defensively responsible line like in 2010, then perhaps we'll have similar results. But that's one year out of like 5. I know a lot of people don't like +/- but, no one has a problem bringing it up when we talk about guys like Howe. It's not the tell-all sign but it helps paint a picture when all things are taken into consideration. In this case I think the -9 career post-season is pretty accurate.

He's the leading playoff scorer since the lockout. What defensive minded teams have limited him in the playoffs? Everything tightens up in the playoffs anyway, and there he is, producing. Pretty sure we'd still have 0 cups even if Danny was more of a D forward.

Frankly, a lot of this female doging about Briere sounds very Matt Barryesque.

Also, I thought Gus was the one that blew the line change in OT.
- feelingkettle

The bruins and devils just did a good job of it the past two years.

Edit : also for being the leading p/o scorer a -9 is a big blemish to that.

I honestly doubt they take less. What would you consider giving up?
- Deasr1

If that's what it takes, I'd lean towards telling them no. I'm sure it would cost something close to that, and it's too much. It creates two holes in the top nine, removes more draft picks and a prospect from the system, and while Weber is an upgrade on Luke Schenn on defense, it still leaves you needing Gervais, Lilja, Gustafsson, MAB or Manning to play 15-18 a night as the 6th guy.

Well the flipside to my argument is, if you can get him on a defensively responsible line like in 2010, then perhaps we'll have similar results. But that's one year out of like 5. I know a lot of people don't like +/- but, no one has a problem bringing it up when we talk about guys like Howe. It's not the tell-all sign but it helps paint a picture when all things are taken into consideration. In this case I think the -9 career post-season is pretty accurate.
- JoeRussomanno

Briere is not good defensively but is very good offensively. Not ever player is going to be a great two way player. Briere is what he is at this point in his career. I agree with what your posting but Briere has three more seasons here and theres nothing we can do about it. The suggestion you made is probably best, lets put Briere with some defensive minded players.

The bruins and devils just did a good job of it the past two years.

Edit : also for being the leading p/o scorer a -9 is a big blemish to that.
- JoeRussomanno

On a list of poop I'd worry about, +/- comes in at about 34th, after hair color and dental hygiene.

If that's what it takes, I'd lean towards telling them no. I'm sure it would cost something close to that, and it's too much. It creates two holes in the top nine, removes more draft picks and a prospect from the system, and while Weber is an upgrade on Luke Schenn on defense, it still leaves you needing Gervais, Lilja, Gustafsson, MAB or Manning to play 15-18 a night as the 6th guy.
- Jsaquella

Chances are he doesnt sign with any team and test the market. So why give up anything? Just to get a head start with Weber. He would be a fool not to test UFA.

On a list of poop I'd worry about, +/- comes in at about 34th, after hair color and dental hygiene.
- Jsaquella

What would be 23rd?

The bruins and devils just did a good job of it the past two years.
- JoeRussomanno

He had 3 goals and 1 assist in a 5 game series against NJ. If Danny doesn't score his two goals in game 1, they get swept.

Against Boston, had 1 goal and 1 assist in a sweep against probably the best D and hands down the best goalie in the playoffs that year.


Also, keep in mind not many others from the Flyers were scoring during those rounds either.

On a list of poop I'd worry about, +/- comes in at about 34th, after hair color and dental hygiene.
- Jsaquella

Agreed.

What would be 23rd?
- JoeRussomanno

How many witty tee shirts the player owns.



Actually, the +/- number simply makes me look harder at the advanced numbers

He had 3 goals and 1 assist in a 5 game series against NJ. If Danny doesn't score his two goals in game 1, they get swept.

Against Boston, had 1 goal and 1 assist in a sweep against probably the best D and hands down the best goalie in the playoffs that year.


Also, keep in mind not many others from the Flyers were scoring during those rounds either.
- feelingkettle

He had a big first game against NJ but the rest of the way, not much else. Like I said get a team that plays tight and they make us pay for it when he's out there.

How many witty tee shirts the player owns.


- Jsaquella

Hmm that's odd I have that at 87th.

He had a big first game against NJ but the rest of the way, not much else. Like I said get a team that plays tight and they make us pay for it when he's out there.
- JoeRussomanno

You cherry pick two rounds where the Flyers were horrible as a team. They would've been even worse without his offense.

I guess I'll say this. If you are relying on Danny Briere to be better defensively to win a series, then your team is not going to go very far. He has gotten the Flyers more wins in the playoffs than losses.

I guess I'll say this. If you are relying on Danny Briere to be better defensively to win a series, then your team is not going to go very far. He has gotten the Flyers more wins in the playoffs than losses.
- feelingkettle

+1

You cherry pick two rounds where the Flyers were horrible as a team. They would've been even worse without his offense.

I guess I'll say this. If you are relying on Danny Briere to be better defensively to win a series, then your team is not going to go very far. He has gotten the Flyers more wins in the playoffs than losses.
- feelingkettle

That's all well and good but none of that is relevant you only need 4 losses to get knocked out and need to only have one less goal than the other team to lose. At 5 on 5 Briere is a liability can't really argue that.

I would move MAB, Voracek or Read, pick (not 1st rd) for Ryan.
- stveshdy

I wouldn't. Too much IMHO.

Read, MAB, 1st and something if needed like a 3rd or another prospect.
OR
Coburn, 2nd, Cousins if needed (then sign or trade for one of the above mentioned.

That's all well and good but none of that is relevant you only need 4 losses to get knocked out and need to only have one less goal than the other team to lose. At 5 on 5 Briere is a liability can't really argue that.
- JoeRussomanno

So you're saying his bad defense outweighs his incredibly productive offense in a tighter checking playoffs?

So you're saying his bad defense outweighs his incredibly productive offense in a tighter checking playoffs?
- feelingkettle

yes

yes
- JoeRussomanno

I find that ridiculous. Without Briere, they don't even get to the two rounds you cherry picked his stats from.

I wouldn't. Too much IMHO.

Read, MAB, 1st and something if needed like a 3rd or another prospect.
OR
Coburn, 2nd, Cousins if needed (then sign or trade for one of the above mentioned.
- coffee junkie

I said Read, MAB, and pick just not a first. Your in agreement then.

I wouldn't. Too much IMHO.

Read, MAB, 1st and something if needed like a 3rd or another prospect.
OR
Coburn, 2nd, Cousins if needed (then sign or trade for one of the above mentioned.
- coffee junkie

I move Coburn for no one. Maybe weber. He is signed to a good contract and is very good partner for Grossman Ryan should only be bought for read and mab. If they need a pick, a 3rd

I find that ridiculous. Without Briere, they don't even get to the two rounds you cherry picked his stats from.
- feelingkettle

I'll put it to you this way, if they replaced him with a player that can limit the other team's scoring then you don't need the massive offensive numbers. In other words if Staal isn't out there getting a goal a game in the first round, then the rest of the team is giving you enough offense. When Briere is playing against teams that can smother his offense, then his defensive weakness is exacerbated thus leading to a loss.

I'll put it to you this way, if they replaced him with a player that can limit the other team's scoring then you don't need the massive offensive numbers. In other words if Staal isn't out there getting a goal a game in the first round, then the rest of the team is giving you enough offense. When Briere is playing against teams that can smother his offense, then his defensive weakness is exacerbated thus leading to a loss.
- JoeRussomanno

My personal opinion is to move Briere to the wing and take some pressure off of his defensive game. He's not good in the middle of the ice defensively and his size doesnt help either when he's getting outmatched between the dots and to the net.

My personal opinion is to move Briere to the wing and take some pressure off of his defensive game. He's not good in the middle of the ice defensively and his size doesnt help either when he's getting outmatched between the dots and to the net.
- stveshdy

At this point I lay the blame at the Coach's feet really. You know what the guy's strengths and weaknesses are thus they have to maximize and minimize accordingly. Moving him to wing, even if it means lower offensive output which is already high, in the postseason anyway, should minimize his flaws. Then again, it could just be under Lavy, he's gonna be a defensive liability with this giddy up and go system that he implements.