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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 10:42 AM ET
No, though we were just about to discuss the Cole Hamels situation.
- BulliesPhan87

Bucci tweeted that a Gaborik for Dan Boyle traded almost went down... that strengthens my feeling that Rags will end up landing Weber.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 17 @ 10:42 AM ET
No, though we were just about to discuss the Cole Hamels situation.
- BulliesPhan87


Not BallBuzz again....
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 17 @ 10:43 AM ET
I like what your suggesting. Quick question do you feel that Read and Simmonds would be better of being on the third line? I don't feel that those guys are second line players. Both had great seasons last year but not sure if they should be top 6 players, just my opinion, curious to what others think.
- stveshdy


Agreed.

And Chek is a 2nd line player.

Creating that hole on the top RW spot.

Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 17 @ 10:45 AM ET
Bucci tweeted that a Gaborik for Dan Boyle traded almost went down... that strengthens my feeling that Rags will end up landing Weber.
- jak521



Who is Bucci?

I am not being funny, I'm simply ignorant on this.

I only follow (in no order) Ek, Dreger, Leed (thanks to HB) and now Eskin.

-Mr. Gent from NJ
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
Totes.
- aightwebang17


buncha prudes in here
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
Who is Bucci?

I am not being funny, I'm simply ignorant on this.

I only follow (in no order) Ek, Dreger, Leed (thanks to HB) and now Eskin.

-Mr. Gent from NJ

- Daman

http://twitter.com/Buccigross
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 10:58 AM ET
Agreed.

And Chek is a 2nd line player.

Creating that hole on the top RW spot.

- Daman

Voracek is absolutely capable of playing on the first line...

The biggest problem we have on this board is that we expect guys to be elite in their positions. Name me a team that has 3 top line forwards, 3 second line forward, and 3 third line forwards.

Hell name me 5 teams with 3 top line forwards...
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
buncha prudes in here
- FlyerMike18

aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
Bucci tweeted that a Gaborik for Dan Boyle traded almost went down... that strengthens my feeling that Rags will end up landing Weber.
- jak521




Then they get Nash imo..........lots of moving parts there.....
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
Then they get Nash imo..........lots of moving parts there.....
- aosplayo

I dont see both Nash and Boyle, or Nash and Weber.. that would gut them while at the same time crushing their cap.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
I dont see both Nash and Boyle, or Nash and Weber.. that would gut them while at the same time crushing their cap.
- jak521

Rangers will get Nash, Weber, Ryan, and Hamels.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
I dont see both Nash and Boyle, or Nash and Weber.. that would gut them while at the same time crushing their cap.
- jak521






Im not seeing a problem here......
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:04 AM ET
Agreed.

And Chek is a 2nd line player.

Creating that hole on the top RW spot.

- Daman


Sign Semin and this team is set
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:05 AM ET
Im not seeing a problem here......
- aosplayo





Actually a Gaborik for Boyle straight up saves them some money.....



Then they can move Dubinsky plus for Nash and be close to salaries.....they have 15 mil in space right now....
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:05 AM ET
Voracek is absolutely capable of playing on the first line...

The biggest problem we have on this board is that we expect guys to be elite in their positions. Name me a team that has 3 top line forwards, 3 second line forward, and 3 third line forwards.

Hell name me 5 teams with 3 top line forwards...

- jak521


I think they just won the cup.

I like Voracek, but I think he compliments Briere better than Giroux. That's all.

Your point of a perfect scenario is a good one though.
Jack-Meoff
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:06 AM ET
Sign Semin and this team is set
- stveshdy



Yea I agree, all we need is a lil Semin to make it stick!
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:07 AM ET
I think they just won the cup.

I like Voracek, but I think he compliments Briere better than Giroux. That's all.

Your point of a perfect scenario is a good one though.

- Daman

So you can name one team? Thats my exact point.. there are maybe 3 teams in the entire league that have a true #1 LW,RW,C all on the top line...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:08 AM ET
Actually a Gaborik for Boyle straight up saves them some money.....



Then they can move Dubinsky plus for Nash and be close to salaries.....they have 15 mil in space right now....

- aosplayo


That would make the Rags better.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 17 @ 11:11 AM ET
So you can name one team? Thats my exact point.. there are maybe 3 teams in the entire league that have a true #1 LW,RW,C all on the top line...
- jak521

Would you say Anaheim's top line fits that description?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:12 AM ET
Actually a Gaborik for Boyle straight up saves them some money.....



Then they can move Dubinsky plus for Nash and be close to salaries.....they have 15 mil in space right now....

- aosplayo

It would save them money.. but Dubinsky + for Nash? If Nash is getting moved.. he is gonna command way more than a package starting with a Brandon Dubinsky... Which means more roster players.. If the rumor that the asking price is a top 6 forward, a top 4 d-man, 2 top prospect, and 2 1sts is true.. your talking about trading a hell of a lot away... and filling that void with two big contracts. It would save them money for sure, but they would also need to add two forwards to the mix at least.. Losing Gaborik and another top 6 forward+ would leave them very weak offensively. Replacing them guys costs money.

Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:14 AM ET
So you can name one team? Thats my exact point.. there are maybe 3 teams in the entire league that have a true #1 LW,RW,C all on the top line...
- jak521



MJL will love this one (maybe). It isn't the talent level, but the roles and the mix - that is how I am forming my conclusions.

Renberg wasn't the best player in the world but worked well with LeClair and Lindros. With Harts UFC attitude around the net and G's playmaking ability, I think it is imperative that we have someone that can shoot the puck towards the net. I think we all know this is Voracek's weak point.

On a line with Briere and Schenn - he can be more creative and assist those guys in scoring goals.

I like Simmonds and Read on a third line. Total pain in the butt line to play against but it can also score goals.

Just my opinion. You are entitled to yours, and maybe the truth is in the middle.

It's a pleasure discussing with you though - you are always a gentleman, as am I.

Cheers!

-Gent

aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
It would save them money.. but Dubinsky + for Nash? If Nash is getting moved.. he is gonna command way more than a package starting with a Brandon Dubinsky... Which means more roster players.. If the rumor that the asking price is a top 6 forward, a top 4 d-man, 2 top prospect, and 2 1sts is true.. your talking about trading a hell of a lot away... and filling that void with two big contracts. It would save them money for sure, but they would also need to add two forwards to the mix at least.. Losing Gaborik and another top 6 forward+ would leave them very weak offensively. Replacing them guys costs money.
- jak521




I dont disagree with anything you say. I also wouldnt be surprised if the Rangers tried something like this.....
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
It would save them money.. but Dubinsky + for Nash? If Nash is getting moved.. he is gonna command way more than a package starting with a Brandon Dubinsky... Which means more roster players.. If the rumor that the asking price is a top 6 forward, a top 4 d-man, 2 top prospect, and 2 1sts is true.. your talking about trading a hell of a lot away... and filling that void with two big contracts. It would save them money for sure, but they would also need to add two forwards to the mix at least.. Losing Gaborik and another top 6 forward+ would leave them very weak offensively. Replacing them guys costs money.
- jak521


I hope they do it and gut the team lol......weber cant win a cup alone...Hell he wasnt able to do it with sutter.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
Would you say Anaheim's top line fits that description?
- BulliesPhan87


For this year, yes.

Next year, they may all be gone.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
Would you say Anaheim's top line fits that description?
- BulliesPhan87

Absolutely... and we all saw how well they did last year.

I think there are three teams.. LA, Anaheim, Chicago.. that MAY fit the bill off the top of my head.

LA didnt really..

They had Brown-Kopitar-Williams... Williams to me isnt a #1 winger.. The guy is never healthy and hasnt cracked 60 points since 07.

Anaheim is the ONLY team that there isnt an argument against.

Chicago when they use Kane-Towes-Hossa is also there.
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