- feelingkettle

BTW man, I am sorry I called your avatar a jacka$$. Several posters last night corrected me on this. They were very kind, calling my beech and fukko.

Sounds like a poor man's version of Chickie's and Pete's.

I seem to recall he was a -23 or something here his first season before Lavy. Anyway, you still seem to be focusing on a part of a player's game that he was never really good at, and never hurt the team in the playoffs, as in losing them games or series. I will still say that he is far more likely to win a team a game than lose it.

+/- is a weird stat, and I don't know how reliable it is for rating defense, but I know that Mike Green sucks at defense and has had good +/- in the past. I use corgi stats, anyway.
- feelingkettle

I only use stats to back up my own observation. +/- is a weird stat and needs to be considered with other things. For purposes of this conversation I'm refering to his postseason +/- and before last season he was never worse than a -5 in the postseason. Under Stevens he was -3, -1 which really isn't bad. When it gets to be -7 and -6 its a cause for concern imo. As for the past two seasons I don't think nor would I consider it fair to say one guy is the reason for the departure. Its a team game however things contribute to a team's successes and failures.

- stveshdy

+/- is a valid stat, but it's also flawed because it's a team stat. One great example of overvaluing +/- is Rod Brind'Amour. Brind'Amour finished his NHL career as a -39. Nobody here is likely to say he was a poor defensive player, especially since he won the Selke twice.

Danny Briere is a -5 over his NHL career.
- Jsaquella

Alex Semin +65

BTW man, I am sorry I called your avatar a jacka$$. Several posters last night corrected me on this. They were very kind, calling my beech and fukko.

Sounds like a poor man's version of Chickie's and Pete's.
- Daman

It's all good, I didn't even think anything of it. What is a donkey anyway? Just an ugly horse. They can easily be mistaken.

Alex Semin +65


- stveshdy

Yep.

BTW man, I am sorry I called your avatar a jacka$$. Several posters last night corrected me on this. They were very kind, calling my beech and fukko.

Sounds like a poor man's version of Chickie's and Pete's.
- Daman

Don't they realize you are da man

Yep.
- Jsaquella

Now go sign him Homer.

It's all good, I didn't even think anything of it. What is a donkey anyway? Just an ugly horse. They can easily be mistaken.
- feelingkettle

I did proceed to call you intelligent and wise, but the beech and fukko names just seemed to fly like the wind. Again, my apologies.

Don't they realize you are da man
- Deasr1

Guess not. To be clear, it is now implied that I am da "gentle" man.

I did proceed to call you intelligent and wise, but the beech and fukko names just seemed to fly like the wind. Again, my apologies.
- Daman

I am not detecting the inner peace you typically have when posting about Howard Eskin

I did proceed to call you intelligent and wise, but the beech and fukko names just seemed to fly like the wind. Again, my apologies.
- Daman

Maybe this will cheer you up Da Man!!!!

Yep.
- Jsaquella

I didn't think semin was that big. I thought more girouxish. He skates and puck handles like a smaller guy

I don't recall who said it but a few days ago someone said the Phillies would not receive compensation for Hamels because compensation is no longer in the CBA. Not necessarily true.

Major league free agent compensation will be completely revised in 2013, with a team having to offer its former players who became free agents the average of the top 125 contracts -- currently about $12.4 million -- to receive draft-pick compensation if a player signs with a new team. It eliminates the statistical formula that had been in place since the 1981 strike settlement.
- nastyflyergirl

A player needs to be with their team the entire season in order to get compensation. That lowers hamel's trade value since the team trding for him won't get picks for him next year. If Hamels plays out the season with the Phils and the Phils over him a top 125 contrac they'll get a 1st(unless protected) and a sandwhich pick.

post of the day!

- JoeRussomanno

I know... much better than the expected assualt on the sidewalk... even though I'm not wearing a rangers jersey

I only use stats to back up my own observation. +/- is a weird stat and needs to be considered with other things. For purposes of this conversation I'm refering to his postseason +/- and before last season he was never worse than a -5 in the postseason. Under Stevens he was -3, -1 which really isn't bad. When it gets to be -7 and -6 its a cause for concern imo. As for the past two seasons I don't think nor would I consider it fair to say one guy is the reason for the departure. Its a team game however things contribute to a team's successes and failures.
- JoeRussomanno

Briere has always been bad defensively, and I don't think that's ever changed in a big way. A lot can affect +/-...bad defensive play by the dmen, by the forwards, softies by the goalie, or just more production on special teams. You can look at +/- specifically, but you have to watch the games too. Look at what Bill said a couple posts back. The things that stand out about Briere is what he was able to create offensively. If the team is playing great team d, then it's not as big an issue.

Again, Briere's D play is not going to win or lose the team any games.

+/- is a valid stat, but it's also flawed because it's a team stat. One great example of overvaluing +/- is Rod Brind'Amour. Brind'Amour finished his NHL career as a -39. Nobody here is likely to say he was a poor defensive player, especially since he won the Selke twice.

Danny Briere is a -5 over his NHL career.
- Jsaquella

It is a flawed stat but not so much that it gets completely tossed out. If used in the right context it's and indicator of things.

In the case of Brind'Amour yes he played on some bad teams so those bad years don't affect his playoff numbers in regards to +/- in which he finished +7. In the case of Briere I don't think he's been on bad teams since coming to Philadelphia at least.

Guess not. To be clear, it is now implied that I am da "gentle" man.
- Daman

By zesus's beard. I apologize. Da gentle man

I did proceed to call you intelligent and wise, but the beech and fukko names just seemed to fly like the wind. Again, my apologies.
- Daman

Believe it or not, that is not me in my avatar, so I am not offended.

I didn't think semin was that big. I thought more girouxish. He skates and puck handles like a smaller guy
- Deasr1

He's a stud. Go get him.

It was Briere, Schenn and one of the defensemen. Only Coburn and Simmonds were in any kind of position to do anything on the ice at the time of the transition, and only Coburn was in the area when the goal was scored...with 3 Devils to handle.
- Jsaquella

Damn faulty memory Thanks, but i'm still going to have to double check later. I remember the puck in transition, someone, maybe Gus then, skating toward the bench, then a quick outlet pass and game over

I know... much better than the expected assualt on the sidewalk... even though I'm not wearing a rangers jersey
- ChrisMS

Staying out of bad neighborhoods and not running your mouth usually leads to a decline in assaults one suffers.

Staying out of bad neighborhoods and not running your mouth usually leads to a decline in assaults one suffers.
- JoeRussomanno

I smell some sexy role playing.

Staying out of bad neighborhoods and not running your mouth usually leads to a decline in assaults one suffers.
- JoeRussomanno

So... just stay out of Philly then?