No kidding, you are so confused that their really isn't much point in you being here.
- Zombie

Awww Zombie. No need to stop being a lady about it.

Sure he's not much bigger, but he sure as (frank) plays a lot bigger.
- Lahey

I think it's a bigger difference than 1" and 5 lbs anyway.

I watch every Oilers game I can.......

Kessel sucks.... 12 hits last year from the pansy.
- gstrandberg

Then you should be able to notice Gagners improved. No one said hes gunna be a 1st line center and we dont need him to be that, hes gunna be an excellent second line center.

Then you should be able to notice Gagners improved. No one said hes gunna be a 1st line center and we dont need him to be that, hes gunna be an excellent second line center.
- Oilfan19

I don't know whether he'll definitely be an excellent 2nd line centre either. I think he could be a good enough 2nd line centre to play between two excellent wingers, and to have a couple solid bottom 6 centres behind him.

I'd say right now our future looks like RNH and then a centre-by-commitee scenario. I have no problem with Horcoff and Gagner being employed in tandem to cover all the responsibilities of a good 2nd line centre. And maybe Gags gets there on his own. I certainly think he's earned his right to prove more.

As far as Sam's contract goes, I'd look at what Voracek gets - same age, same draft pedigree, reasonably similar points production per year, and both are about 4th or 5th in terms of importance among forwards in the team's future. The two should fetch similar numbers imo.

I don't know whether he'll definitely be an excellent 2nd line centre either. I think he could be a good enough 2nd line centre to play between two excellent wingers, and to have a couple solid bottom 6 centres behind him.

I'd say right now our future looks like RNH and then a centre-by-commitee scenario. I have no problem with Horcoff and Gagner being employed in tandem to cover all the responsibilities of a good 2nd line centre. And maybe Gags gets there on his own. I certainly think he's earned his right to prove more.
- Morris

I absolutely believe that Gags can take the 2C. People are already putting a cap on the guy and hes only 22. Thats just rediculous.

As far as Sam's contract goes, I'd look at what Voracek gets - same age, same draft pedigree, reasonably similar points production per year, and both are about 4th or 5th in terms of importance among forwards in the team's future. The two should fetch similar numbers imo.
- Morris

I would agree with this.

if gagner is SOOOo good, then why are oiler fans, and bloggers, and pretty much everyone, SOOOO desperate to include him in every single trade offer.

as for the gagner vs turris debate, perhaps we should wait and actually let turris play a full season with the sens, as opposed to the coyotes, where he butted heads with the coach and as a result didn't actually play much.
- sensarmy_11

Same pt can be made for Schultz-Karlsson then budddddddddddddddyyyyyyyy!

Same pt can be made for Schultz-Karlsson then budddddddddddddddyyyyyyyy!
- saskoil21

^

Who said star? We dont need him as a 1st line center. I just find it rediculous that everyone is bashing a 22 year old that has improved every year he has played. He is becoming a very well rounded player and will be a guy wearing an A very soon.
- Oilfan19

Improved every year he played?
Look at the stats again....his highest point total was his rookie year.

He definitely has potential, and I think he slots into your #2C or #3C slot provided he doesn't want too much money...Oilers are gonna need all the money they can to lock up the big4...

I think people bash SG because of what some Oiler fans feel he is worth...it wasn't long ago some fans were saying he could pull in the 8th overall pick in trade straight up...or trades for top2 d-men...whereas if a Leaf fan proposed Tyler Bozak could get a top2 dman or top10 pick in the first round in trade they would be laughed off the board...yet their stats were VERY similar last year...

Improved every year he played?
Look at the stats again....his highest point total was his rookie year.

He definitely has potential, and I think he slots into your #2C or #3C slot provided he doesn't want too much money...Oilers are gonna need all the money they can to lock up the big4...

I think people bash SG because of what some Oiler fans feel he is worth...it wasn't long ago some fans were saying he could pull in the 8th overall pick in trade straight up...or trades for top2 d-men...whereas if a Leaf fan proposed Tyler Bozak could get a top2 dman or top10 pick in the first round in trade they would be laughed off the board...yet their stats were VERY similar last year...
- BoBBeR56

How about you look again. PPG last year was his highest total.

Same pt can be made for Schultz-Karlsson then budddddddddddddddyyyyyyyy!
- saskoil21

You really think Shultz can do what Karlsson did last year?
If so, take off the blue and orange goggles...

Improved every year he played?
Look at the stats again....his highest point total was his rookie year.

He definitely has potential, and I think he slots into your #2C or #3C slot provided he doesn't want too much money...Oilers are gonna need all the money they can to lock up the big4...

I think people bash SG because of what some Oiler fans feel he is worth...it wasn't long ago some fans were saying he could pull in the 8th overall pick in trade straight up...or trades for top2 d-men...whereas if a Leaf fan proposed Tyler Bozak could get a top2 dman or top10 pick in the first round in trade they would be laughed off the board...yet their stats were VERY similar last year...
- BoBBeR56

It's not all about offense. Gagner is a lot better on faceoffs, smarter without the puck and has picked up a bit of speed.

How about you look again. PPG last year was his highest total.
- Oilfan19

How about you look what you wrote again...
You said he improved year he has played, which isn't true...
I didn't say his PPG last year wasn't his highest...I said his highest point total was his rookie year...
Stop putting words in my mouth, and maybe start to read...

Improved every year he played?
Look at the stats again....his highest point total was his rookie year.

He definitely has potential, and I think he slots into your #2C or #3C slot provided he doesn't want too much money...Oilers are gonna need all the money they can to lock up the big4...

I think people bash SG because of what some Oiler fans feel he is worth...it wasn't long ago some fans were saying he could pull in the 8th overall pick in trade straight up...or trades for top2 d-men...whereas if a Leaf fan proposed Tyler Bozak could get a top2 dman or top10 pick in the first round in trade they would be laughed off the board...yet their stats were VERY similar last year...
- BoBBeR56

Gagner is four years younger than Bozak, so they really aren't comparable.

How about you look what you wrote again...
You said he improved year he has played, which isn't true...
I didn't say his PPG last year wasn't his highest...I said his highest point total was his rookie year...
Stop putting words in my mouth, and maybe start to read...
- BoBBeR56

so having your best PPG in a season isnt improving then? Not to mention everything else he brought to the table...

It's not all about offense. Gagner is a lot better on faceoffs, smarter without the puck and has picked up a bit of speed.
- Lahey

Gagner is better on faceoffs?
Is that why Bozak won 52.7% last year and Gagner won 47.6%?
How do you judge that Gagner is smarter without the puck? lol...

You really think Shultz can do what Karlsson did last year?
If so, take off the blue and orange goggles...
- BoBBeR56

Nobody thinks that Schultz will ever come near Karlsson. Hes just making a point.

How about you look what you wrote again...
You said he improved year he has played, which isn't true...
I didn't say his PPG last year wasn't his highest...I said his highest point total was his rookie year...
Stop putting words in my mouth, and maybe start to read...
- BoBBeR56

Gagner (now) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gagner (rookie season)

Gagner is better on faceoffs?
Is that why Bozak won 52.7% last year and Gagner won 47.6%?
How do you judge that Gagner is smarter without the puck? lol...
- BoBBeR56

I was talking about Gagner getting better. I could give two poops about Bozak.

How do you judge a player is better without the puck? Not shocked you don't know this.

Gagner is better on faceoffs?
Is that why Bozak won 52.7% last year and Gagner won 47.6%?
How do you judge that Gagner is smarter without the puck? lol...
- BoBBeR56

Hes not comparing the 2. Hes saying how Gags has improved.

I was talking about Gagner getting better. I could give two poops about Bozak.

How do you judge a player is better without the puck? Not shocked you don't know this.
- Lahey

+/-

I was talking about Gagner getting better. I could give two poops about Bozak.

How do you judge a player is better without the puck? Not shocked you don't know this.
- Lahey

Got your back Lahey .

Improved every year he played?
Look at the stats again....his highest point total was his rookie year.

He definitely has potential, and I think he slots into your #2C or #3C slot provided he doesn't want too much money...Oilers are gonna need all the money they can to lock up the big4...

I think people bash SG because of what some Oiler fans feel he is worth...it wasn't long ago some fans were saying he could pull in the 8th overall pick in trade straight up...or trades for top2 d-men...whereas if a Leaf fan proposed Tyler Bozak could get a top2 dman or top10 pick in the first round in trade they would be laughed off the board...yet their stats were VERY similar last year...
- BoBBeR56

I know the 8th overall pick sounds super duper fantastic before the draft, but name "Derick Pouliot" doesn't exactly make me all giddy to trade Gagner.

so having your best PPG in a season isnt improving then? Not to mention everything else he brought to the table...
- Oilfan19

It's not improving every year...
Improving every year would be:
Year one .54 PPG
Year two .60 PPG
Year three .62 PPG
Year four .67 PPG