Given how far Grigs droped, I'd say he's got about a 10% chance of being better then Gagner (and a 60%+ chance of being worse)
- Zombie

Look how far Coutourier dropped last year.
So does that leave 30% to him being on par with SG?

Given how far Grigs droped, I'd say he's got about a 10% chance of being better then Gagner (and a 60%+ chance of being worse)
- Zombie

Being Russian and having Mono didn't help his cause.

Given how far Grigs droped, I'd say he's got about a 10% chance of being better then Gagner (and a 60%+ chance of being worse)
- Zombie

Yup, I think that your best hopes for Grigs is that he turns out to what Gagner already is, but a couple inches taller. I can't rationalize the logic in that. Sure there's a chance that he turns into an 80 point forward in the NHL, but it's not likely. IMO signing gagner to 5 years, 3.75 mil would be fair for both sides (but I think it will likely cost 4 mil per to lock him up).

Look how far Coutourier dropped last year.
So does that leave 30% to him being on par with SG?
- BoBBeR56

Coutourier had a nice rookie season, but he certainly isn't guaranteed to be any better then a bottom 6'er either.

And ya, guys drafted in his range have roughly a 30% chance of being on par with Gagner... not a bet I'd take with those odds.

Look how far Coutourier dropped last year.
So does that leave 30% to him being on par with SG?
- BoBBeR56

I don't get the Couturier love. He didn't have a stand out rookie year and he only had a couple of good games in the playoffs.

I see a very poor man's Jordan Staal.

I don't get the Couturier love. He didn't have a stand out rookie year and he only had a couple of good games in the playoffs.

I see a very poor man's Jordan Staal.
- Starbuck

Well he was +18 and looked quite well according to those usage charts, so a few people should like him right off the bat.

Was physical for an 18 year old and was real decent 47% on the draw for a rookie.

Was Philly's second main PK forward, which is quite good for an 18 year old rookie

And he chipped in with 27 points.

Not sure what's not to like. He'd probably be a better #2 on this team right now than anyone else that we have.

Well he was +18 and looked quite well according to those usage charts, so a few people should like him right off the bat.

Was physical for an 18 year old and was real decent 47% on the draw for a rookie.

Was Philly's second main PK forward, which is quite good for an 18 year old rookie

And he chipped in with 27 points.

Not sure what's not to like. He'd probably be a better #2 on this team right now than anyone else that we have.
- Lahey

Meh.... He's playing on a stacked team.

Meh.... He's playing on a stacked team.
- Starbuck

So then why wasn't he sheltered and given primo PP time to help him out?

So then why wasn't he sheltered and given primo PP time to help him out?
- Lahey

He was sheltered at even strength in a bottom six roll. Typically your penalty killers play in the bottom six which is why he played 2:41 per game on the PK.

I'm not saying he sucks... I just don't get why he's put up on this pedestal of being some kind of super rookie sensation.

He was sheltered at even strength in a bottom six roll. Typically your penalty killers play in the bottom six which is why he played 2:41 per game on the PK.

I'm not saying he sucks... I just don't get why he's put up on this pedestal of being some kind of super rookie sensation.
- Starbuck

Well for a kid that played right out of junior he did quite well. I'd take him over Gagner in a heartbeat.

He was sheltered at even strength in a bottom six roll. Typically your penalty killers play in the bottom six which is why he played 2:41 per game on the PK.

I'm not saying he sucks... I just don't get why he's put up on this pedestal of being some kind of super rookie sensation.
- Starbuck

I'm gonna love it when you break down and get a Yakupov jersey, you know you will you bandwagon jumping female dog.....

This thread got angry quickly... so much internet violence...

This year you could have had Grigorenko (big Centre), Forsberg (another winger to complete your top6), Trouba or Ceci (two monster Dmen)...
You prefer SG over all 4 of them?
- BoBBeR56

Yes. Very likely none of them see playing time this year and maybe next. 2 of the four are going to be busts(based on percentages of past first rounders that never make it). You cant ell me that any one of them is going to be a 50 point 2nd line guy. You can specualte all you want but its just that...

This thread got angry quickly... so much internet violence...
- Oilfan19

*Sam Gagner*

This thread got angry quickly... so much internet violence...
- Oilfan19

I made a mistake in Barry's thread saying Frattin and a 3rd for Bernier is brutal.

Leaf fans aren't happy with me now.

I made a mistake in Barry's thread saying Frattin and a 3rd for Bernier is brutal.

Leaf fans aren't happy with me now.
- Lahey

Kadri for Bernier and a 1st... "Book it" as they say

Kadri for Bernier and a 1st... "Book it" as they say
- Oilfan19

Kadri sucks.

Kadri sucks.
- Lahey

I know, come on Lahey, you of all people should of caught on to the sarcasm..

Well for a kid that played right out of junior he did quite well. I'd take him over Gagner in a heartbeat.
- Lahey

I'm sitting of the fence with that one...

Kadri for Bernier and a 1st... "Book it" as they say
- Oilfan19

Are you high ?

I'm sitting of the fence with that one...
- Starbuck

Either get on my side or I'm kicking you over the (frank)ing fence.

Between this and your Ryan Murray bs you are lucky I consider you someone I wouldn't push down the stairs of the eiffel tower.

Are you high ?
- Starbuck

Damn, nobody caught my sarcasm... I failed I guess

Either get on my side or I'm kicking you over the (frank)ing fence.

Between this and your Ryan Murray bs you are lucky I consider you someone I wouldn't push down the stairs of the eiffel tower.
- Lahey

I would lean towards Couturier only because he seems to be a good pk player. I still think the Oilers will regret taking Yakupov.

I would lean towards Couturier only because he seems to be a good pk player. I still think the Oilers will regret taking Yakupov.
- Starbuck

I still think you'll regret having sex with a man, but what ya gonna do?

I still think you'll regret having sex with a man, but what ya gonna do?
- Lahey

What if said person had both male and female genitals?