the list goes on and on..its too bad we cant put in 2 teams - would be cool watching CAN vs CAN in the gold medal game
- big_dion

They almost did in either the 1991 Canada Cup or the 1994 World Cup (pretty sure I'm talking 1991).

The Soviet Union was collapsing (or it may have been Russia was imploding in 1994) and it became unclear as to whether or not Team CCCP (or Russia) would be able to get out of the country and come to Canada to compete.

Plan B (hastily drawn up, iirc, and never really went anywhere) was to quickly arrange a Canada B.

Which would have been pretty interesting - I would imagine that the Canada B squad would be pretty motivated when going up against Canada A.

Even in a strong draft (and I'm not sure where that has started..Mackinnon and Jones look killer but after that its a draft like any other) anything outside of the top 5 and especially 10 is not remotely guaranteed. Giving up a 17th overall for a top flight goalie shouldn't even enter the equation. Kipper makes the Leafs playoff bound. Period. I've watched him for a lot of years and I don't recall ever seeing a more consistent workhorse of a tender. Edmonton's forwards have seen him in their nightmares.
- GuyLaDouche

there ya have it.

but what do i know.

Out of his prime, not worth our future.
- maverickJ

Still better then any leaf goalie in a long time. And you can go on and on about trading the leafs garbage for him, but it wont happen, and if you want such a goalie it will cost.

That 3-4 year contract is a pretty big criteria to just add to the trade now big dion. Still he isn't going to be playing at his level for the next 3-4 years.
- maverickJ

not at all, thats the only way the deal works. thats how you set it up from the get go.

and how do you know he wont be playing at his level for the next 3-4 years?

he is one of the best goalies in the league and has been for years.

calgary's team is in horrible shape, he is the glue.

there ya have it.

but what do i know.
- big_dion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NHL_Entry_Draft

Apparently not the 2003 entry draft

You have to look at what we really need to do. OK, you pay, you get Kipper, you make the playoffs, and what happens? Out in the first. Kipper is now 36, the year after. Are we any closer to winning a championship? It's better that we grab a goaltender that has 10 good years going forward, then one that has maybe 3. We won't be winning any Stanley Cups for at least 5 years, so why waste assets on a Kipprisoff or Luongo. Want to take a shot at Bernier? Why not, if the asset can be gotten at a reasonable rate. Something like a Scrivens and a 2nd.
- PrinceLH

Except that Bernier is another unproven and IMO, overhyped player. Kipper and Luongo have proven beyond any doubt that they're top goalies. Bernier has not. Do the Leafs have the luxury of hoping another young and unproven tender can handle the pressure in TO?

Lol are you going through your mid life crisis?
- maverickJ

Nope, just laughing at leaf fans silliness, absolutely nothing new there.

not at all, thats the only way the deal works. thats how you set it up from the get go.

and how do you know he wont be playing at his level for the next 3-4 years?

he is one of the best goalies in the league and has been for years.

calgary's team is in horrible shape, he is the glue.
- big_dion

Have you ever seen a player play his best hockey or even as good as he has in his prime between the age of 35-39.

Well if you did so, your assets would presumably be years behind ours. Iginila=Sundin and we didn't have a Kipper , just because you have these players doesn't mean your are going to turn them into assets. Calgary is in a much different position than the Leafs and likely will be until Feaster gets canned. Feaster=Ferguson
- maverickJ

My friend...Feaster has been GM of Calgary since May 2011

Nope, just laughing at leaf fans silliness, absolutely nothing new there.
- eihcnerf

Imagine a young team being excited that they still have a potential to get better. Lol might as well tell Edmonton to stop being high on themselves too.

You have to look at what we really need to do. OK, you pay, you get Kipper, you make the playoffs, and what happens? Out in the first. Kipper is now 36, the year after. Are we any closer to winning a championship? It's better that we grab a goaltender that has 10 good years going forward, then one that has maybe 3. We won't be winning any Stanley Cups for at least 5 years, so why waste assets on a Kipprisoff or Luongo. Want to take a shot at Bernier? Why not, if the asset can be gotten at a reasonable rate. Something like a Scrivens and a 2nd.
- PrinceLH

Lombardi laughs hysterically and hangs up.

You have to look at what we really need to do. OK, you pay, you get Kipper, you make the playoffs, and what happens? Out in the first. Kipper is now 36, the year after. Are we any closer to winning a championship? It's better that we grab a goaltender that has 10 good years going forward, then one that has maybe 3. We won't be winning any Stanley Cups for at least 5 years, so why waste assets on a Kipprisoff or Luongo. Want to take a shot at Bernier? Why not, if the asset can be gotten at a reasonable rate. Something like a Scrivens and a 2nd.
- PrinceLH

so we dont want to trade for a real #1 goalie with 4-5 years left in the tank.

we want to trade for a young, unproven goalie, and hope that he is a legit #1, and that in the next 10 years the team is able to get good enough to take us on a run.

if the leafs got a real #1 goalie, players will think about coming to TO instead of being like...nah, no goalie and no number 1 center, on top of that its hockey media circus.

kipper is a better option than Luongo, even if were giving up a first. my 2 cents.

Lombardi laughs hysterically and hangs up.
- eihcnerf

lol no poop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NHL_Entry_Draft

Apparently not the 2003 entry draft
- maverickJ

that was the deepest draft ever
has there been one like that before?

feaster would be smart to sit on these vet assets til the deadline.. then move them to a team looking for that extra lil push to get over the top

thats the best way to maximize his return on these guys at this point
- Dozzer

disagree. return is always better in the offseason, mainly because you're not limited in where you can trade him. you also have a better shot at getting a high draft pick since the one you get at the deadline is likely to be 20-30.

My friend...Feaster has been GM of Calgary since May 2011


- Colin Dambrauskas

Lol I'm aware, fine if you want I can him Fletcher status , have fun with Jeff Finger

Imagine a young team being excited that they still have a potential to get better. Lol might as well tell Edmonton to stop being high on themselves too.
- maverickJ

Putting the leafs prospects in the same potential range as Edmonton's is a bit much no?

Thats what I see happening with Iginla...Feaster will wait to see where his team sits around January and start talking to Iggy about possible destinations if they arent guaranteed a playoff spot.

Dont kid yourselves, Feaster may very well extend Iggy if they do well with the new additions.
- Colin Dambrauskas

how well tho? whats the cut point? playoffs? top 4 seeds playoffs?

They almost did in either the 1991 Canada Cup or the 1994 World Cup (pretty sure I'm talking 1991).

The Soviet Union was collapsing (or it may have been Russia was imploding in 1994) and it became unclear as to whether or not Team CCCP (or Russia) would be able to get out of the country and come to Canada to compete.

Plan B (hastily drawn up, iirc, and never really went anywhere) was to quickly arrange a Canada B.

Which would have been pretty interesting - I would imagine that the Canada B squad would be pretty motivated when going up against Canada A.
- Atomic Wedgie

man o man that would have been awesome!!!!!

Lombardi laughs hysterically and hangs up.
- eihcnerf

I believe that was for Bernier, if I'm reading that correctly.

Have you ever seen a player play his best hockey or even as good as he has in his prime between the age of 35-39.
- maverickJ

Dwayne Roloson, Finnish Flash, Ray Whitney, Nik Lidstrom,

that was the deepest draft ever
has there been one like that before?
- bobbyisno1

(frank)ing andrei kostitsyn. jesus.

disagree. return is always better in the offseason, mainly because you're not limited in where you can trade him. you also have a better shot at getting a high draft pick since the one you get at the deadline is likely to be 20-30.
- DoubleDown

there are two times a year a GM will typically overpay

at the deadline.. and on July 1

there ya have it.

but what do i know.
- big_dion

You have to keep an eye on Jonathan Durian ( Excuss my poor spelling ) He plays for the Mooseheads as well. Kid is 16 and will be a very good player.

The teams are closer than you think, currently. If the Flames chose to move Iggy and Kipper, the assets they got back would fasttrack them on a rebuild and they would still have solid pieces.

Remember, Feaster just took over a year ago and is moving out the old, bringing in the young.
I wouldnt say they are too far apart, personally.

And I follow both teams....btw
- Colin Dambrauskas

if Wideman and Hudler are making your team younger...

and the Leafs are way ahead of Calgary.