Mac, Colborne, 1st.

id do it.
- big_dion

I think that's a lot to give up for Kipper...but can't argue, because I actually have to go do some work for once

What do you think he is worth?
- maverickJ

Calgary is not moving Kipper unless they get some high end prospects and a couple of picks, i doubt they even want roster players unless it is a true bonifide number one center, which oddly enough, the leafs do not have themselves.

Both teams are roughly in the same boat, save for the Leafs having more prospects. But, each team needs upgrades in youth, and down the middle...neither will likely be able to make a deal together, imo.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Calgary is pretty much where the Leafs were the year before Burke took over. They are not in similar positions. Prospect depth is a pretty big criteria but look at our core of talent vs yours. We are much younger.

Next years draft is going to be a deep one, I would not give up 17th overall for a rental player.
- maverickJ

a rental player?

since when is a 36 year old goalie with 1 year on his contract a rental player?

the deal wouldnt be made unless he was signed for 3-4 years id imagine. kipper i could see being solid until at least 40. it would be the same as bringing in belfour at his age pretty much. what do you have to say about that?

Wow, if that first turned into Seguin, that would be the worst trade in Leafs history. The guy is 35.

Just sayin, look at what happen with the Kessel deal, when that first turned into Seguin, And, Burke got a great young player and took that much heat..
- bixll

Ya, people just throw around 1st rounders like their no big deal.
Burke is not dumb enough to trade assets plus a 1st rounder for a 35 year old player.
Owuya, 2nd, Coborne (3rd line center - a little depth noename was looking for) and maybe a lombo to help even out the salary.

Calgary is not moving Kipper unless they get some high end prospects and a couple of picks, i doubt they even want roster players unless it is a true bonifide number one center, which oddly enough, the leafs do not have themselves.
- eihcnerf

Good, he isn't worth it that much anyway.

Calgary is pretty much where the Leafs were the year before Burke took over. They are not in similar positions. Prospect depth is a pretty big criteria but look at our core of talent vs yours. We are much younger.
- maverickJ

Can never wear this one out.

Both teams are roughly in the same boat, save for the Leafs having more prospects. But, each team needs upgrades in youth, and down the middle...neither will likely be able to make a deal together, imo.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Nor should the Leafs want to....unless its for Iggy...but he wont be cheap.

Good, he isn't worth it that much anyway.
- maverickJ

To whom? I understand that no player in existence of the game of hockey has never been good enough to play for the mighty maple leafs, not even Gretz....

Next years draft is going to be a deep one, I would not give up 17th overall for a rental player.
- maverickJ

Even in a strong draft (and I'm not sure where that has started..Mackinnon and Jones look killer but after that its a draft like any other) anything outside of the top 5 and especially 10 is not remotely guaranteed. Giving up a 17th overall for a top flight goalie shouldn't even enter the equation. Kipper makes the Leafs playoff bound. Period. I've watched him for a lot of years and I don't recall ever seeing a more consistent workhorse of a tender. Edmonton's forwards have seen him in their nightmares.

essentially you slide kadri in for mac's spot.

colborne in my eyes will be at best a 3C.

1st rounder i dont see how the leafs would end up bottom 5 with kipper.

our team isnt all that bad. WAY better than when we aquired kessel.
- big_dion

I was just pointing out how a good deal one minute can be a bad deal, IF that 1st turns into a big name player..

a rental player?

since when is a 36 year old goalie with 1 year on his contract a rental player?

the deal wouldnt be made unless he was signed for 3-4 years id imagine. kipper i could see being solid until at least 40. it would be the same as bringing in belfour at his age pretty much. what do you have to say about that?
- big_dion

That 3-4 year contract is a pretty big criteria to just add to the trade now big dion. Still he isn't going to be playing at his level for the next 3-4 years.

Ya, people just throw around 1st rounders like their no big deal.
Burke is not dumb enough to trade assets plus a 1st rounder for a 35 year old player.
Owuya, 2nd, Coborne (3rd line center - a little depth noename was looking for) and maybe a lombo to help even out the salary.
- Fakepartofme

feaster would be smart to sit on these vet assets til the deadline.. then move them to a team looking for that extra lil push to get over the top

thats the best way to maximize his return on these guys at this point

To whom? I understand that no player in existence of the game of hockey has never been good enough to play for the mighty maple leafs, not even Gretz....
- eihcnerf

Out of his prime, not worth our future.

Calgary is pretty much where the Leafs were the year before Burke took over. They are not in similar positions. Prospect depth is a pretty big criteria but look at our core of talent vs yours. We are much younger.
- maverickJ

The teams are closer than you think, currently. If the Flames chose to move Iggy and Kipper, the assets they got back would fasttrack them on a rebuild and they would still have solid pieces.

Remember, Feaster just took over a year ago and is moving out the old, bringing in the young.

I wouldnt say they are too far apart, personally.

And I follow both teams....btw

Nor should the Leafs want to....unless its for Iggy...but he wont be cheap.
- Fakepartofme

The Leafs wouldn't get him. They would get outbid were he available unless Burke offered something that would cause Leafs nation to break out the torches and pitchforks.

Can never wear this one out.
- eihcnerf

Lol are you going through your mid life crisis?

Both teams are roughly in the same boat, save for the Leafs having more prospects. But, each team needs upgrades in youth, and down the middle...neither will likely be able to make a deal together, imo.
- Colin Dambrauskas

difference is that if the Leafs had Kipper last year they make the playoffs
but Calgary couldn't

To whom? I understand that no player in existence of the game of hockey has never been good enough to play for the mighty maple leafs, not even Gretz....
- eihcnerf

Yawn.

beacuse if we had kipper in net we would be in the playoffs more than likely.

i dont mind giving up 17th pick overall
- big_dion

You have to look at what we really need to do. OK, you pay, you get Kipper, you make the playoffs, and what happens? Out in the first. Kipper is now 36, the year after. Are we any closer to winning a championship? It's better that we grab a goaltender that has 10 good years going forward, then one that has maybe 3. We won't be winning any Stanley Cups for at least 5 years, so why waste assets on a Kipprisoff or Luongo. Want to take a shot at Bernier? Why not, if the asset can be gotten at a reasonable rate. Something like a Scrivens and a 2nd.

The Leafs wouldn't get him. They would get outbid were he available unless Burke offered something that would cause Leafs nation to break out the torches and pitchforks.
- GuyLaDouche

And we shouldn't even make an offer for him.

Edit:

Oh and this isn't Edmonton....here we have guns and knives we sent all our torches and pitchforks to smaller communities.

feaster would be smart to sit on these vet assets til the deadline.. then move them to a team looking for that extra lil push to get over the top

thats the best way to maximize his return on these guys at this point
- Dozzer

Thats what I see happening with Iginla...Feaster will wait to see where his team sits around January and start talking to Iggy about possible destinations if they arent guaranteed a playoff spot.

Dont kid yourselves, Feaster may very well extend Iggy if they do well with the new additions.

Ya, people just throw around 1st rounders like their no big deal.
Burke is not dumb enough to trade assets plus a 1st rounder for a 35 year old player.
Owuya, 2nd, Coborne (3rd line center - a little depth noename was looking for) and maybe a lombo to help even out the salary.
- Fakepartofme

so your telling me if Luongo didnt have a 10 year deal, and had say a 4-5 year deal at 5.5 that we wouldnt offer a first rounder for him?

if thats teh case; then we better hope reimer or scrivens is the real deal cause we will never get a bonified #1 goalie for a 2nd round pick and some plug.

And we shouldn't even make an offer for him.
- Fakepartofme

Nope. The Leafs aren't at the point where they might need to add a player like him.

The teams are closer than you think, currently. If the Flames chose to move Iggy and Kipper, the assets they got back would fasttrack them on a rebuild and they would still have solid pieces.

Remember, Feaster just took over a year ago and is moving out the old, bringing in the young.

I wouldnt say they are too far apart, personally.

And I follow both teams....btw
- Colin Dambrauskas

Well if you did so, your assets would presumably be years behind ours. Iginila=Sundin and we didn't have a Kipper , just because you have these players doesn't mean your are going to turn them into assets. Calgary is in a much different position than the Leafs and likely will be until Feaster gets canned. Feaster=Ferguson