Yes in 2012-2013 season Girgensons will have the bigger impact..

But I think in the long run Grigorenko could be a 30g/40a player as a 1C and Girgensons could be a 22g/35a type player as a 2C

I just don't know where Hodgson, Ennis, Catenacci, and Sundher will all fit in by then.

I think in order to get full potential out of all of these players they have to be surrounded with the right type of wingers and I don't know if we have the right type of wingers currently to allow Grigorenko to be the player he "could be"

there we go talking about potential again.
- JVince11

well i fell like ennis could move back to wing, but as far as the other 3, thats where the logjam occurs...then we'll have people on here posting about which center we should trade to get a scoring winger.

99th

31 goals
42 helpers

Silky Mitts.

Feel old when you can say you saw someone play in college and they turned 32
- hubie

Cheer up big guy...

not third line winger...

We will have 3 scoring lines that will all rotate and get somewhat equivalent minutes unless one line is just scorching at the moment.

Or one line size or speed would be more beneficial against who our opponent is that game.
- JVince11

i know...speaking more to the ridiculous idea that we'd get into a virtual bidding war with as many as 10 teams for a proven star player and pay him crazy cheddar to then be relegated to the 3rd line.

chill.

well i fell like ennis could move back to wing, but as far as the other 3, thats where the logjam occurs...then we'll have people on here posting about which center we should trade to get a scoring winger.
- qcstudios

he could... but he has never been very productive from the wing.. he likes open ice..

he could... but he has never been very productive from the wing.. he likes open ice..
- JVince11

think we could have girg as 1C, ennis 2C, girgensons 3C?

well i fell like ennis could move back to wing, but as far as the other 3, thats where the logjam occurs...then we'll have people on here posting about which center we should trade to get a scoring winger.
- qcstudios

Id hope we would move him in a deal then move him to the wing. Think of the outrage if we didnt get a player like a bobby ryan cause ennis was a center we couldnt deal then move him to the wing.

think we could have girg as 1C, ennis 2C, girgensons 3C?
- qcstudios

where you putting cody?

think we could have girg as 1C, ennis 2C, girgensons 3C?
- qcstudios

This season?

where you putting cody?
- hubie

Time will only tell...

I think between Hodge and Ennis... one will be traded for a winger some day.

I think Ennis has shown more.. but I think Hodge has untapped potential.

I think Hodge is a better 2 way player.. but I think Ennis's motor and passion is matched only by Gerbe on this team.

I just am hoping both Grigs and Girgs pan out because I do think the Sabres have a 1C in Grigorenko.. and a dominating force in 2C/3C in Girgensons.

Add Foligno and Armia with them and its a good young "base"

Cheer up big guy...
- JVince11

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This season?
- sambarugh

no no no.. we are talking about future...

http://www.kare11.com/new...d-by-otter-in-Duluth-lake
- SabresFaninIndiana

yea I saw that on Yahoo news.. so i thought I would post it once or twice today.. lol

This season?
- sambarugh

no, im saying when the 2 g's mature and get to the point where we may be able to rely on them in a 1C/2C role. which means at least one of hodge/ennis would be moved in some sort of trade, which in reality is why im shocked darcy didnt bite the bullet and go out and get bobby ryan if that ennis, psysk and 1st for ryan was a legitimate option.

sure it'd hurt now, but if the g's pan out, we can make that kind of a move no problem.

no no no.. we are talking about future...
- JVince11

although if we did move ennis to get ryan this offseason, i think hodge could play 1C still, and have grigs as 2C just to see what he does. worked for EDM with Nugent-Hopkins.

no, im saying when the 2 g's mature and get to the point where we may be able to rely on them in a 1C/2C role. which means at least one of hodge/ennis would be moved in some sort of trade, which in reality is why im shocked darcy didnt bite the bullet and go out and get bobby ryan if that ennis, psysk and 1st for ryan was a legitimate option.

sure it'd hurt now, but if the g's pan out, we can make that kind of a move no problem.
- qcstudios

I think it was a 2nd and not a 1st actually...

I understand both sides of this argument.. Ennis is our best center on the team "right now" even though Hodgson could be better.. it is just potential right now.

If we trade Ennis.. and the G's aren't ready... for 1.5 or 2 years.. we are in serious trouble on this team!! Just imagine if Hodgson were to get hurt too.. we would be looking at forcing Leino, Gerbe, Adam, Catenacci, or Girgensons to hamper their development.

Now granted.. they could come up like Foligno and be a rockstar or they could come up like Szczchura or Whitmore who were playing great in the A but couldn't cut the mustard in Buffalo.

although if we did move ennis to get ryan this offseason, i think hodge could play 1C still, and have grigs as 2C just to see what he does. worked for EDM with Nugent-Hopkins.
- qcstudios

nvm what I just said..

I wouldn't mind Grigorenko playing as our 2C either to get him the experience..

I think a lot depends on who is at his wings..

If it is Ott and Ryan.. I would drool in happiness... if it was Leino I would punch a kitten.

although if we did move ennis to get ryan this offseason, i think hodge could play 1C still, and have grigs as 2C just to see what he does. worked for EDM with Nugent-Hopkins.
- qcstudios

something tells me that RNH is better than Grigs... i could be wrong and i would love to be wrong i just don't think i am not

I wouldn't mind that.. but Girgensons was a #14... RNH was a #1.. their skill sets are really different.

Girgensons highest level of competition was at the USHL level and that says something. I was on a coaching staff for the USHL and those guys are tiny, puny, unmotivated, entitled, and immature punks 65% of the time.

I coached a guy that was drafted by the Stars in the 3rd round and was committed to Michigan but needed a stop gap in between.. he SUCKED for us.. but I see that at michigan the last year he was a top 5 scorer.
- JVince11

i think he was talking about Grigorenko not Zemgus... i could be wrong but he said grigs not girgs

i think he was talking about Grigorenko not Zemgus... i could be wrong but he said grigs not girgs
- SabresFaninIndiana

I see taht now.. I went back and changed it.

I see taht now.. I went back and changed it.
- JVince11

that is why i always type Zem when i am talking about grigensons.. i wish more people would follow suit because this is getting confusing at times

I see taht now.. I went back and changed it.
- JVince11

but you were right about the ushl

that is why i always type Zem when i am talking about grigensons.. i wish more people would follow suit because this is getting confusing at times
- SabresFaninIndiana

its tough cause they are both good players its not like one is great and the other is garbage. I usually just call him Z

that is why i always type Zem when i am talking about grigensons.. i wish more people would follow suit because this is getting confusing at times
- SabresFaninIndiana

I only follow dancing bananas...

but you were right about the ushl
- hubie

Thanks...

Alex Guptil... kid was 6'3 190 lbs... drafted by the Stars in the 3rd round.. Kid has THE WORST flexibility I have EVER SEEN!

When he sat on the ground.. he could even sit indian style. He could not sit with his legs straight out in front of him and even reach to touch his knee caps.

I had to work with him every single day for 30 minutes just on stretching to loosen him up.

he had about 20 pts in a USHL season for us... kid goes to Michigan as a true freshman and leads the team in goals, points, and PP goals.

WTF