I can't see both Shaw and Leddy going. I'd like to keep both, and I'm probably in the minority in Chicago of wanting Luongo, but not at the price of both. Leddy's just 21. While he's got his warts, he's still got some really nice potential. Shaw is a grinder. Can't wait to see what he does over a full season. If both go, take StanBo too.

I don't have a link but I thought I remember Lebrun or MacKenzie speaking about Heatley being traded from SJ to Minny. Heatley accepted a trade out of the organization he negotiated an NTC (remember the block to Edmonton?) but didn't have that same power with SJ. I thought I heard the same situation another time. It could be something that is negotiated into a contract but often overlooked.
- bcoop

Because he used his option of a destination list already. I see your point. It was a limited NTC. He always could be moved but lost control of his destination after the first trade.

Once again, Marleau is again rumoured to be on the block. Why? My guess is because he makes 6.9 million for two more years, and given the Sharks early exit, you need to at least explore the idea of moving someone out.

You are very wrong.

This clause seems to be about trade lists. I don't think it means a player loses his NTC after a trade. It's more about control of where a player ends up in a trade.
- boonerbuck

Like I said, this is from Capgeek, but it states at the start that if a player is traded their NTC (or other clause) may no longer apply. You would need access to the specific contract and be able to decipher the language to be sure. Either way, there is a player out in two years and a team out in five years.

You are very wrong.
- Aliaksandrhn

About which part?

You are very wrong.
- Aliaksandrhn

Because you are a homer Sharks fan?

You are very wrong.
- Aliaksandrhn

That's some serious insight you've provided.

After seven pages of this, it remains a moot point...bottom line, he's not going anywhere with his NTC. He has been with SJ from the start of his career, his wife was born and raised in the SJ area so they are not going to uproot that family to go anywhere, especially where the media would eat him alive. As much as I'd like to have him waive to go elsewhere, it's just not going to happen much to my chagrin. Next year, hopefully they can trade him to someone at the trade deadline making a push for the playoffs. I would much rather get assets back than to lose him to free agency and get nothing for him at all.

About which part?
- micah555

About the reason why the Sharks are reportedly considering moving Marleau. It's not his salary, it's his performance in the playoffs.

Marleau for Raymond, Ballard and a 2nd
- fiveandagame

Why in the hell would the Sharks ever take Ballard. Try Raymond, Burrows and a 2nd. Do really think Wilson would trade for that crap.

About the reason why the Sharks are reportedly considering moving Marleau. It's not his salary, it's his performance in the playoffs.
- Aliaksandrhn

Seems like he mentioned that:

"...and given the Sharks early exit..."

I imagine if Marleau made $1m, it would be less appealing to get rid of him, despite his horrible playoff showing. So I can't see how Ian was 'very wrong'.

Why in the hell would the Sharks ever take Ballard. Try Raymond, Burrows and a 2nd. Do really think Wilson would trade for that crap.
- Jshark1932

That trade proposal is an inside joke here in this thread. We throw it out there for just about everyone to "check if there are sharks in the water."

That said, I wouldn't trade Burrows (2m) for Marleau (6.9m) straight up.

Why in the hell would the Sharks ever take Ballard. Try Raymond, Burrows and a 2nd. Do really think Wilson would trade for that crap.
- Jshark1932

- Fosco

First one to figure it out wins a prize...

There's no arrogance...all that's happened so far is two SJ fans have posted emoticons to battle any comments that Marleau is not worth the $$ and/or the trade value and have yet to actually speak to anything.
- Juice

Among active players, all time statistical leaders in the post season...

Playoff Points
12th among active players

Playoff Goals
2nd among active players (only behind Jagr)

Playoff Goals per Game
12th among active players

Playoff Power Play Goals
4th among active players

Playoff Short Handed Goals
2nd among active players


Playoff Game Winning Goals
2nd among active players

All of this and he's not even in the top 20 of playoff games played among active players.

Learn something before making silly comments.

Among active players, all time statistical leaders in the post season...

Playoff Points
12th among active players

Playoff Goals
2nd among active players (only behind Jagr)

Playoff Goals per Game
12th among active players

Playoff Power Play Goals
4th among active players

Playoff Short Handed Goals
2nd among active players


Playoff Game Winning Goals
2nd among active players

All of this and he's not even in the top 20 of playoff games played among active players.

Learn something before making silly comments.
- mxgsfmdpx

Aha feel it juice

Marleau

We have one playmaker on the entire team (Henrik) and desperately need a playmaker for that second line. Marleau gets his 30 goals a season because Jumbo Joe feeds him the puck all day long. To bring this guy across and instantly make him our highest paid player without anyone to pass to him is not good hockey sense. He'd thrive on the Sedin line, but who wouldn't. 6.9m plus the assets we'd have to deal to get him? Pass. It's Thornton I want out of that team anyway.

Leddy

I have no idea what Bowman thinks of Leddy or Luongo's worth, but if it's anything like what I've seen from JJ's threads any deal with CHI sending Luongo their way has garbage written all over it. And I don't see a deal for Leddy happening without Lu in the mix. We really need to move on from discussing any trade with CHI. Our top 4 is set for next season anyway. Why are we interested in Leddy again?
- AlexF

If you are not happy with leddy and Crawford as a return for lou,you are likely not getting rid of him any time soon

Among active players, all time statistical leaders in the post season...

Playoff Points
12th among active players

Playoff Goals
2nd among active players (only behind Jagr)

Playoff Goals per Game
12th among active players

Playoff Power Play Goals
4th among active players

Playoff Short Handed Goals
2nd among active players


Playoff Game Winning Goals
2nd among active players

All of this and he's not even in the top 20 of playoff games played among active players.

Learn something before making silly comments.
- mxgsfmdpx

The thing is, and no disrespect meant, if you open it up beyond active players, Marleau is only marginally more productive than Russ Courtnall, with the exception of GWG, which I already pointed out earlier. This last point does support your argument as Marleau is actually among the all time leaders in this category.

The NHL is getting younger, and I would bet that a lot of it's young stars will greatly surpass Marleau's accomplishments in few games played. Just my opinion.

The thing is, and no disrespect meant, if you open it up beyond active players, Marleau is only marginally more productive than Russ Courtnall, with the exception of GWG, which I already pointed out earlier. This last point does support your argument as Marleau is actually among the all time leaders in this category.

The NHL is getting younger, and I would bet that a lot of it's young stars will greatly surpass Marleau's accomplishments in few games played. Just my opinion.
- 1970vintage

He's got a point though in that Marleau is generally seen as a playoff no-show or at least "soft." The numbers would suggest, at the very least, this perception might be inflated. Another name making the rumor mill rounds with a similar rep is Semin, but I saw another pundit some time ago make the case that his playoff numbers are actually decent. It's the perception though.

Personally I don't mind Marleau as a player, just the size of his contract in relation to the fact that he doesn't fill a need on the team and gives us yet another shoot-first guy. My beef is that we need another playmaker.

Among active players, all time statistical leaders in the post season...

Playoff Points
12th among active players

Playoff Goals
2nd among active players (only behind Jagr)

Playoff Goals per Game
12th among active players

Playoff Power Play Goals
4th among active players

Playoff Short Handed Goals
2nd among active players


Playoff Game Winning Goals
2nd among active players

All of this and he's not even in the top 20 of playoff games played among active players.

Learn something before making silly comments.
- mxgsfmdpx

Actually, he's 13th in playoff games played among active players and 10th if you only count forwards. Of those forwards ahead of him, only 3 (Jagr, Elias and Hossa) were regular first line players (though 2 others, Gomez and Sykora were 1st liners for a few seasons in their prime).

http://www.quanthockey.co...games-played-leaders.html

Not that Marleau is a bad player, but his stats are pretty much in line with his games played in comparison to other players. His goals-per-game and GWGs are his most remarkable stats, while his PPG are weaker than other other star players.

He's got a point though in that Marleau is generally seen as a playoff no-show or at least "soft." The numbers would suggest, at the very least, this perception might be inflated. Another name making the rumor mill rounds with a similar rep is Semin, but I saw another pundit some time ago make the case that his playoff numbers are actually decent. It's the perception though.

Personally I don't mind Marleau as a player, just the size of his contract in relation to the fact that he doesn't fill a need on the team and gives us yet another shoot-first guy. My beef is that we need another playmaker.
- AlexF

I agree, his 13 or 14 (I forget) GWG's does say something about his ability to finish when it counts - I think 4 of those were in OT as well. He ranks higher, all time, than some truly great players. The next player on the list after Marleau for GWG is Yzerman... Just that when you only compare hit to active players you skew the results in his favour. Will Marleau be a first ballot HHOF? Probably not...

If you are not happy with leddy and Crawford as a return for lou,you are likely not getting rid of him any time soon
- wildoil

Where in the post that you quoted does it say that?

Leddy is a great player, but the Canucks don't really have a need for him. They have a logjam of LHD as it is, and he's not going to displace either Edler or Hamhuis in the top4.

Plus, Crawford at $2.66million a season is more than I would hope the Canucks would spend on a backup...unless his name is Roberto Luongo.

I agree, his 13 or 14 (I forget) GWG's does say something about his ability to finish when it counts - I think 4 of those were in OT as well. He ranks higher, all time, than some truly great players. The next player on the list after Marleau for GWG is Yzerman... Just that when you only compare hit to active players you skew the results in his favour. Will Marleau be a first ballot HHOF? Probably not...
- 1970vintage

That's a different argument all together. I don't think he'll make the HHOF period.

Where in the post that you quoted does it say that?

Leddy is a great player, but the Canucks don't really have a need for him. They have a logjam of LHD as it is, and he's not going to displace either Edler or Hamhuis in the top4.

Plus, Crawford at $2.66million a season is more than I would hope the Canucks would spend on a backup...unless his name is Roberto Luongo.
- Fosco

Thanks Fosco. Ironically that trade offer that he mentioned (not sure where it came from) was better than any I heard from CHI fans and I'd still prefer to keep Lu.

Thanks Fosco. Ironically that trade offer that he mentioned (not sure where it came from) was better than any I heard from CHI fans and I'd still prefer to keep Lu.
- AlexF

No problem. It's starting to piss me off how many fans of other teams are jumping to conclusions whenever there is a post/blog that have "Luongo" and any other player mentioned, without actually reading the post/blog.