Ottawa should try and get Havlat back... He was a fan favourite here in Ottawa and would be again
- riceroni

Ya, that would be a good idea for him to take the place of a young player during your rebuild. I guess it would work though because he'll only really play between 30-60 games at $5m/year for the next two years.

Hmm, none?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary
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Oh, you said "ALL TIME"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ca...e=careerLeadersAllSeasons

Nope, still don't see him...
- 1970vintage

Being in the top 25 playoff scorers 2 out of the past 3 years is absolutely not "near the top"


Gomez has more points all time then Marleau in the playoffs.

Being in the top 25 playoff scorers 2 out of the past 3 years is absolutely not "near the top"


Gomez has more points all time then Marleau in the playoffs.
- Juice

Crosby has played half the number of games with more output. Now, I have noticed that there are no Canucks on this list, but I never suggested any of them were playoff studs...

Crosby has played half the number of games with more output. Now, I have noticed that there are no Canucks on this list, but I never suggested any of them were playoff studs...
- 1970vintage

You need not explain yourself to me my friend. We're definitely on the same page.

Wanna hug it out?

You need not explain yourself to me my friend. We're definitely on the same page.

Wanna hug it out?
- Juice

Crosby has played half the number of games with more output. Now, I have noticed that there are no Canucks on this list, but I never suggested any of them were playoff studs...
- 1970vintage

He's worse than Crosby? Well, case closed. I bet he's not even on par with Lemieux.

Marleau is a mixed bag. He's not a bad player, but he's not a $7m superstar either. I think SJ should put him on the market and see if anyone will give up a 1st and change for him. As a team that is up against the cap already, I definitely do not see anyway that he'd make the Canucks better. He's just not in the budget.

Both teams are too close to the cap to do these deals. Van would REALLY need to sweeten the pot to get Marleau. It would have to be Lou, Jensen and a pick.

As for Leddy...Vancouver hasnothing Chicago wants other than Lou and your not getting rid of him unless Crawford and other junk is included going back to Van.
- Iggysbff

Luongo is much better than Marleau. Adding pieces when SJ is getting the best player in the deal is mental. If SJ can get a 1st and a prospect like Jensen, they should jump on that like trampoline. I assume you think Luongo has negative value if you think those kind of assets need to be included to get a $7m cap hit out of SJ.

He's worse than Crosby? Well, case closed. I bet he's not even on par with Lemieux.

Marleau is a mixed bag. He's not a bad player, but he's not a $7m superstar either. I think SJ should put him on the market and see if anyone will give up a 1st and change for him. As a team that is up against the cap already, I definitely do not see anyway that he'd make the Canucks better. He's just not in the budget.
- micah555

Whoa there big guy. Mixelplix there was claiming that Marleau was a league leader among active players but his stats totals are largely thanks to playing for nearly 15 seasons on some pretty good SJ teams. H. Sedin is not far behind at 70 points in 71 games, is that a better comparator for you? Playing for so long, in so many games is a great accomplishment, but Marleau is no superstar point getter or clutch playoff performer.

Whoa there big guy. Mixelplix there was claiming that Marleau was a league leader among active players but his stats totals are largely thanks to playing for nearly 15 seasons on some pretty good SJ teams. H. Sedin is not far behind at 70 points in 71 games, is that a better comparator for you? Playing for so long, in so many games is a great accomplishment, but Marleau is no superstar point getter or clutch playoff performer.
- 1970vintage

Agreed, but Crosby is a pretty high benchmark. Henrik is definitely a much more realistic comparable.

Marleau is a decent complimentary player. You're right, he's no superstar.

Schroeder will be a good on the 2nd pp. Good vision, puck skills and passing ability. He's also got a really hard and accurate one timer. Quick release. I think he doesn't get enough credit in Canuck land. It's time to get excited.
- Boinker

Even if he will be everything you say he'll be, it's too much to expect him to step right in and provide what this team needs immediately. That would be one hell of a story around here but I expect he'll need a year at least to adjust just like he did in the AHL. Hopefully the coaching staff is patient. With Kesler out, there is little to lose if a playmaker isnt aquired.

Agreed, but Crosby is a pretty high benchmark. Henrik is definitely a much more realistic comparable.

Marleau is a decent complimentary player. You're right, he's no superstar.
- micah555

Interesting to note, *i stand corrected*, Marleau has 13 game winners, which puts him 3rd among active players.

EDIT - one more than Yzerman...

Honestly think Gillis is not dealing from a position of strength. may reduce the return. I do think if he goes to Chicago Leddy and a Salary dump are part of the return. If a deal can't be made then Vancouver can fork out almost $10 mil in net. I think Gillis will get what he can for Lu, but it probably will not be a top prospect (Huberdeau), a top 6 winger (Versteeg) and a 1st. Don't think any team in the league is going to overpay to help the Canuck jettison salary commitments for the next 6 years. Just my opinion.
- ikeane

You seem to be forgetting that Luongo is an excellent goalie and his cap hit is low for an elite goaltender. It's only the term that's the problem -- and most would likely agree he won't play more than 6 more years. Luongo is not a salary dump at all and that's why Gillis wants some equal value coming back -- no guarantee he'll get it all of course.

Schroeder will be a good on the 2nd pp. Good vision, puck skills and passing ability. He's also got a really hard and accurate one timer. Quick release. I think he doesn't get enough credit in Canuck land. It's time to get excited.
- Boinker

Excited by what? He has yet to play an NHL game and hasn't shown that he deserves to. As well, there is the AV factor.

He's worse than Crosby? Well, case closed. I bet he's not even on par with Lemieux.

Marleau is a mixed bag. He's not a bad player, but he's not a $7m superstar either. I think SJ should put him on the market and see if anyone will give up a 1st and change for him. As a team that is up against the cap already, I definitely do not see anyway that he'd make the Canucks better. He's just not in the budget.
- micah555

Send Marleau to Long Island or Columbus....problem is he wouldn't accept the trade to go there.

Marleau

We have one playmaker on the entire team (Henrik) and desperately need a playmaker for that second line. Marleau gets his 30 goals a season because Jumbo Joe feeds him the puck all day long. To bring this guy across and instantly make him our highest paid player without anyone to pass to him is not good hockey sense. He'd thrive on the Sedin line, but who wouldn't. 6.9m plus the assets we'd have to deal to get him? Pass. It's Thornton I want out of that team anyway.

Leddy

I have no idea what Bowman thinks of Leddy or Luongo's worth, but if it's anything like what I've seen from JJ's threads any deal with CHI sending Luongo their way has garbage written all over it. And I don't see a deal for Leddy happening without Lu in the mix. We really need to move on from discussing any trade with CHI. Our top 4 is set for next season anyway. Why are we interested in Leddy again?
- AlexF

You won't want him but Huselius is a free agent and plays the wing. He is definetely a playmaker.

You seem to be forgetting that Luongo is an excellent goalie and his cap hit is low for an elite goaltender. It's only the term that's the problem -- and most would likely agree he won't play more than 6 more years. Luongo is not a salary dump at all and that's why Gillis wants some equal value coming back -- no guarantee he'll get it all of course.
- Vagabond

The cap hit is not what I was referring to, instead the term. I do not argue that Lu isn't an elite goaltender, he is.....now. At 39/40 is he still worth 5+ mil a year? I would think not. I think that factors into the trade value. Anywhere he is traded is stuck with a NMC for 5+ mil a year for 6 more years. That takes awat from trade value. If you notice in my Chicago idea I did not say it has to be Olesz/Frolik and Montador going back, I know better. However, to offset the salary I do think one of those is involved in a potential deal between Hawks/Canucks. If you notice, the other player I included was Leddy who is a 21 year old PMD with a large amount of potential and trade value in himself at a very cap friendly hit. I know that if a deal can not be done between Chi/Van I will tak satisfaction at seeing 9+mil tied up in Vancouver's net. As a Hawks fan I remember Khabibulin and Huet eating over 12 mil in cap space a few years ago and how fans of other teams said it was stupid. Welcome to version 2.0 if Lu does not get moved. As a Hawks fan I would love to see "Greasy Bob" in Chicago's net. Not for Morin, Not for Sharp, Shaw, Toews, Seabrook, Saad, Kane, Hossa, etc. However I am open to Leddy/McNeill/ solid up an coming kid going there with a contract ala Montador/Olesz/Frolik to make it happen. The superstars and players like Shaw who play with heat are untouchable in my book. If that means no deal, so be it.

Luongo ++ for Marleau doesn't really make much sense. It's not like Marleau has a great contract either(I know the term is less). Just because Luongo's contract is bunk doesn't mean that he is not still a great player. Gillis likely won't get the appropriate value in return and for this reason will likely not trade him to a team that is challenging them for a playoff spot in the same conference.

That's why the East makes more sense.

Play CS
Trade Luongo and Ballard
Fire AV

The cap hit is not what I was referring to, instead the term. I do not argue that Lu isn't an elite goaltender, he is.....now. At 39/40 is he still worth 5+ mil a year? I would think not. I think that factors into the trade value. Anywhere he is traded is stuck with a NMC for 5+ mil a year for 6 more years. That takes awat from trade value. If you notice in my Chicago idea I did not say it has to be Olesz/Frolik and Montador going back, I know better. However, to offset the salary I do think one of those is involved in a potential deal between Hawks/Canucks. If you notice, the other player I included was Leddy who is a 21 year old PMD with a large amount of potential and trade value in himself at a very cap friendly hit. I know that if a deal can not be done between Chi/Van I will tak satisfaction at seeing 9+mil tied up in Vancouver's net. As a Hawks fan I remember Khabibulin and Huet eating over 12 mil in cap space a few years ago and how fans of other teams said it was stupid. Welcome to version 2.0 if Lu does not get moved. As a Hawks fan I would love to see "Greasy Bob" in Chicago's net. Not for Morin, Not for Sharp, Shaw, Toews, Seabrook, Saad, Kane, Hossa, etc. However I am open to Leddy/McNeill/ solid up an coming kid going there with a contract ala Montador/Olesz/Frolik to make it happen. The superstars and players like Shaw who play with heat are untouchable in my book. If that means no deal, so be it.
- ikeane

NOt sure but I thing the NTC expires in 5 years. I know in some cases NTCs become void after a trade. Depends what is in the contract.

NOt sure but I thing the NTC expires in 5 years. I know in some cases NTCs become void after a trade. Depends what is in the contract.
- bcoop

This I don't believe but please, by all means prove me wrong by finding an example?

Juice, you're asking people to think before they post, sorry, aint gonna happen. Everyone here proclaims to know what player X is worth or not worth, but the truth of the matter is, none of them can get past their individual fan bias.
- 1970vintage

And apparently you can't get past your arrogance....

NOt sure but I thing the NTC expires in 5 years. I know in some cases NTCs become void after a trade. Depends what is in the contract.
- bcoop

it's a NTC.

in 6 years, he will be owed 7.5m over the last 4 years (3m over the last 3).

since, it's a NTC and not a NMC, he can be shipped to the minors if he really wants to get every cent.

the cap hit is 5.3 but the real dollars are closer to 6.8. a team needs to be able to afford the next 5 years in real dollars. if they can afford that, they could obviously eat the last 4 years. and that's highly unlikely b/c luongo will most likely be retired.

if he still wants to play, he could be a trade commodity (at age 39+) as a backup making less money but a higher cap hit (valuable for a low cap team). if he doesn't accept the trade at that age, you tell him to retire or ride the buses.

with respect to his value, therein lies the rub. if you (in the general sense) believe that he will be a true salary dump, the canucks will dump him to florida or toronto before chicago. both fla and tor have indicated interest but said the price is too high. this means that they have no problem absorbing the contract but don't want to pay too much to do it. they are much better options than helping chicago get better.

if this was last season, and the canucks desired brian campbell, do you think the hawks would have traded him here? not a chance.

edit: noticed that i responded to both you and the hawks fan. obviously, the brian campbell comment wasn't directed at you.

You won't want him but Huselius is a free agent and plays the wing. He is definetely a playmaker.
- bcoop

I think his injuries of late that are of the career ending type. Otherwise he'd be signed by now. My guess is he gets a TO invite.

And apparently you can't get past your arrogance....


- Team_Teal

There's no arrogance...all that's happened so far is two SJ fans have posted emoticons to battle any comments that Marleau is not worth the $$ and/or the trade value and have yet to actually speak to anything.

This I don't believe but please, by all means prove me wrong by finding an example?
- boonerbuck

"KNOWN CLAUSES (note: if player has been traded, clauses may no longer apply): NTC (player can supply five-team trade list following final game of 2013-14, valid through July 15, 2014; if player does not submit trade list at that time, team can request a five-team trade list following final game of 2017-18 season, valid through Sept. 1, 2018). If player submitted a trade list in 2014 and was not moved, team loses right to request trade list in 2018."

This is from Capgeek, so take it for what its worth.