You just described the Kesler line.
- boonerbuck

Ian Esplen: Target Marleau/Leddy
Target Marleau/Leddy
- IanEsplen

Just goes to show perspective is not reality when it comes to Patrick Marleau. Yes Marleau at one time was a great playoff performer, but ever since the Edmonton series where he got blasted in the playoffs it has been a different story.

Does he score goals yes occasionally, and in spurts, and not on a constant basis as you would want. But the biggest thing is that Marleau is soft come playoff time, and much like in the regular season he floats around looking for easy spaces to go to. Do you ever see him in front of the net or fighting with Defensemen for the puck? Answer no!

6.9mm cap hit for a guy who lost the captaincy and isn't a playmaker.

Leafs gonna put him with Kessel so they can both stand there and wait for a pass that isn't coming?


PS - Isn't this a Canucks blog?
- Juice

Everything is a Leafs blog here at LeafsBuzz.

I know Marleau has had isues in the playoffs before, but I think most of that team has. The guy I would look at moving if I was SJ would be big Joe. He is great on a team, just don't make him the leader of the team.

Nice, and there's the daily stab at the leafs as required.

So you believe that if the Leafs, a team who hasn't made the playoffs since before HD was available, is going to benefit from a 6.9mm cap hit and a player who comes from an EXTREMELY talented team that doesn't get it done when it matter most? And probably at the cost of a solid prospect and high draft pick? No thanks
- Juice

Would love to send Marleau to you guys. Just send us back a pick and a prospect and I would be happy to get rid of him.

Marleau

We have one playmaker on the entire team (Henrik) and desperately need a playmaker for that second line. Marleau gets his 30 goals a season because Jumbo Joe feeds him the puck all day long. To bring this guy across and instantly make him our highest paid player without anyone to pass to him is not good hockey sense. He'd thrive on the Sedin line, but who wouldn't. 6.9m plus the assets we'd have to deal to get him? Pass. It's Thornton I want out of that team anyway.

Leddy

I have no idea what Bowman thinks of Leddy or Luongo's worth, but if it's anything like what I've seen from JJ's threads any deal with CHI sending Luongo their way has garbage written all over it. And I don't see a deal for Leddy happening without Lu in the mix. We really need to move on from discussing any trade with CHI. Our top 4 is set for next season anyway. Why are we interested in Leddy again?

Don't think you have the cap space unfortuntely
- Sharks_12

They could have that amount of space but the our GM is an idiot and has no clue how to use the cap effectively.

Would love to send Marleau to you guys. Just send us back a pick and a prospect and I would be happy to get rid of him.
- Sharkfan48

Exactly...both part of your post are the exact reason they don't need/want him.

1) Wilson would want too much
2) You want to get rid of him for a reason


But apparently "I'm funny" for thinking he's a waste of $ and prospects in a trade.

They could have that amount of space but the our GM is an idiot and has no clue how to use the cap effectively.
- Sharkfan48

Are SJ fans hoping for a rebuild or at least retooling of the core to happen this summer or are they content with trying to add additional pieces to the team already in place?

Marleau - no thanks. He isn't a playmaker and would be the highest paid player on the team.

Leddy- where exactly would he fit on our defense?

I understand these are for discussion purposes, but a little common sense please.....

Just goes to show perspective is not reality when it comes to Patrick Marleau. Yes Marleau at one time was a great playoff performer, but ever since the Edmonton series where he got blasted in the playoffs it has been a different story.

Does he score goals yes occasionally, and in spurts, and not on a constant basis as you would want. But the biggest thing is that Marleau is soft come playoff time, and much like in the regular season he floats around looking for easy spaces to go to. Do you ever see him in front of the net or fighting with Defensemen for the puck? Answer no!
- Sharkfan48

Ahem...
http://youtu.be/wHnIn77NDPk

Wouldn't even trade Kulemin for him. Actually...wouldn't trade any one of those pieces 1 for 1.

No thanks to a guy who got the C stripped from him and can't get it done in the playoffs. Leafs need a play maker...Marleau is not that.
- Juice

Yeah...they couldn't use a 30 goal scorer...

Everything is a Leafs blog here at LeafsBuzz.
- Go Canucks

Good point. They really should update the logo of the site

Yeah...they couldn't use a 30 goal scorer...
- Team_Teal

Sigh.......thanks tips.

Obviously every team could use a 30 goal scorer...but there's more to it than simply replying with emoticons and a very un-insightful one liner.

What does the team actually need?
Where would he fit and on what line with whom?
What's the salary cap situation?
What would it cost to get him?
What's his cap hit?

His cap hit is significantly too high as would the trading price be to get him...thus he's not worth it. Nobody is saying he's not a good player....just that he's not worth it.

Marleau isnt a fit at all and is over paid. I'd rather Doan for less $$.

With that being said, Doan isnt a playmaker. If Gillis doesnt get Doan signed, he needs to go balls to the wall to find a playmaker for the 2nd line and the 2nd PP unit. If Gillis does sign Doan...they will still need to add a playmaker by the TDL.

Sigh.......thanks tips.

Obviously every team could use a 30 goal scorer...but there's more to it than simply replying with emoticons and a very un-insightful one liner.

What does the team actually need?
Where would he fit and on what line with whom?
What's the salary cap situation?
What would it cost to get him?
What's his cap hit?

His cap hit is significantly too high as would the trading price be to get him...thus he's not worth it.
- Juice

Juice, you're asking people to think before they post, sorry, aint gonna happen. Everyone here proclaims to know what player X is worth or not worth, but the truth of the matter is, none of them can get past their individual fan bias.

Marleau isnt a fit at all and is over paid. I'd rather Doan for less $$.

With that being said, Doan isnt a playmaker. If Gillis doesnt get Doan signed, he needs to go balls to the wall to find a playmaker for the 2nd line and the 2nd PP unit. If he does sign Doan who isnt exactly a playmaker...they will still need to add one by the TDL.
- boonerbuck

But don't forget:

"
Yeah...they couldn't use a 30 goal scorer..."

That's all that matters.

Juice, you're asking people to think before they post, sorry, aint gonna happen. Everyone here proclaims to know what player X is worth or not worth, but the truth of the matter is, none of them can get past their individual fan bias.
- 1970vintage

Thank you!

Wouldn't even trade Kulemin for him. Actually...wouldn't trade any one of those pieces 1 for 1.

No thanks to a guy who got the C stripped from him and can't get it done in the playoffs. Leafs need a play maker...Marleau is not that.
- Juice

Go take a look at the list of statistical leaders in the post season among active players. Tell me how many times you see Marleau's name near the top.

You may want to check his stats before you say he doesn't produce in the playoffs.
- Team_Teal

Yup, confidently posted that knowing his playoff stats beforehand.

He's a 6.9mm cap hit...his significantly less than a point per game playoff numbers do not merit 6.9mm and he certainly performed well enough to lose the C. There's more to being a worth-while player and a strong asset to your team then just points.

Go take a look at the list of statistical leaders in the post season among active players. Tell me how many times you see Marleau's name near the top.
- mxgsfmdpx

Making the playoffs almost every year tends to add up.

Again, there's more to being a team asset and worth your 6.9mm then just putting up points.

And do you really call 88 points in 129 playoff games "near the top". I'd take Briere 100x with his current salary before I even consider Marleau.

Thank you!
- Juice

That is a kick-ass emoticon. I'm not sure if it beats the smiley guy pouring gasoline on himself and setting himself on fire, but it's close.

And yes-we are officially in the dog days of summer when I am posting reviews of emoticons. But it beats discussing hypothetical trades and evaluating fake twitter rumours abut Lu and Nash.

Marleau isnt a fit at all and is over paid. I'd rather Doan for less $$.

With that being said, Doan isnt a playmaker. If Gillis doesnt get Doan signed, he needs to go balls to the wall to find a playmaker for the 2nd line and the 2nd PP unit. If Gillis does sign Doan...they will still need to add a playmaker by the TDL.
- boonerbuck

Schroeder will be a good on the 2nd pp. Good vision, puck skills and passing ability. He's also got a really hard and accurate one timer. Quick release. I think he doesn't get enough credit in Canuck land. It's time to get excited.

That is a kick-ass emoticon. I'm not sure if it beats the smiley guy pouring gasoline on himself and setting himself on fire, but it's close.

And yes-we are officially in the dog days of summer when I am posting reviews of emoticons. But it beats discussing hypothetical trades and evaluating fake twitter rumours abut Lu and Nash.
- Go Canucks

Pretty much sums it all up right there.

Go take a look at the list of statistical leaders in the post season among active players. Tell me how many times you see Marleau's name near the top.
- mxgsfmdpx

Hmm, none?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&status=&viewName=summary

Oh, you said "ALL TIME"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ca...e=careerLeadersAllSeasons

Nope, still don't see him...