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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 16 @ 12:43 PM ET
10xs in two games? Ill say they get 7 in two games.
- stveshdy


Sounds about right. Vick will probably be hurt by game 2. Kafka time!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 12:45 PM ET
It does help. But the NFL shares revenue so that teams can spend to the cap to keep stars. If a star player leaves a NFL team its usually not because his old team couldn't afford to keep him...they might be cap strapped, but not unable to pay him
- Jsaquella


A lot of people disagree but the way the NFL does its contracts is probably the best system. These guaranteed contracts kill the cap. I would love for every sport to go with the guaranteed money (signing bonus) and still give the team the option to cut the player three years down the road. That player is still getting its guaranteed money just not the entire salary of the contract. It also allows that player to become a free agent again.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 16 @ 12:46 PM ET

- aightwebang17



u just gonna take that?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 12:47 PM ET
Sounds about right. Vick will probably be hurt by game 2. Kafka time!
- PLindbergh31


How many times does Eli get sacked in two games against the Eagles? I'll say 8.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 16 @ 12:48 PM ET
That would be a good system if all of the players had the same talent level. How do you go about determining profit sharing...Why should giroux get the same level as as a thrid fourth line player. I would not want to see what the accounting on that would look like.
- Philly1980


The better the player, the higher the salary so I don't think profit sharing among players should be determined by skill. If Mike Rupp plays 82 games and Claude Giroux plays 82 games, then why should G get I higher percentage of the profits? I think this idea would be better done on a games played basis more than anything.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 12:48 PM ET
Sounds about right. Vick will probably be hurt by game 2. Kafka time!
- PLindbergh31

just check and see if he gets a bonus for playing so many games then that will give you the number he plays.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 16 @ 12:49 PM ET
How many times does Eli get sacked in two games against the Eagles? I'll say 8.
- stveshdy


About 6. Which is fine. Eli gets up, and plays at a higher level after getting hit. He took a pounding in the NFC Championship game in SF. He's never missed a game due to injury in his career. He's started I believe 119 straight.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 16 @ 12:50 PM ET
A lot of people disagree but the way the NFL does its contracts is probably the best system. These guaranteed contracts kill the cap. I would love for every sport to go with the guaranteed money (signing bonus) and still give the team the option to cut the player three years down the road. That player is still getting its guaranteed money just not the entire salary of the contract. It also allows that player to become a free agent again.
- stveshdy

I hate the NFL guys get shredded for holding out, when teams routinely cut players to avoid bonuses.

I hate that part of it. I think that a contract should be paid in full and guaranteed. Why should teams be able to dump a guy & not pay him because their GM is an idiot?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 12:53 PM ET
About 6. Which is fine. Eli gets up, and plays at a higher level after getting hit. He took a pounding in the NFC Championship game in SF. He's never missed a game due to injury in his career. He's started I believe 119 straight.
- PLindbergh31

I hate that howdy doody looking little mfer but I gotta give it to him, he's one tuff sob that's for sure. Don't think he'll miss much time with a bruise on his non-throwing hand.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 12:55 PM ET
I hate the NFL guys get shredded for holding out, when teams routinely cut players to avoid bonuses.

I hate that part of it. I think that a contract should be paid in full and guaranteed. Why should teams be able to dump a guy & not pay him because their GM is an idiot?

- Jsaquella


The NFL gives more guaranted money upfront which is why players sign those deals. The length and actually contract itself means nothing which is why guys want the guaranteed money in their signing bonuses. The players are still being compensated for it.

Two sided coin. What about a GM that hits right and the player wants to redo his deal bc he feels he outplayed the contract?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
I hate the NFL guys get shredded for holding out, when teams routinely cut players to avoid bonuses.

I hate that part of it. I think that a contract should be paid in full and guaranteed. Why should teams be able to dump a guy & not pay him because their GM is an idiot?

- Jsaquella

If they weren't allowed to do that, then the league would be full of Albert Haynesworths.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
The better the player, the higher the salary so I don't think profit sharing among players should be determined by skill. If Mike Rupp plays 82 games and Claude Giroux plays 82 games, then why should G get I higher percentage of the profits? I think this idea would be better done on a games played basis more than anything.
- NickTheKid87


Lets see you buy a shelley jersey if he plays 82 games next year! No one buys tickets to see Rupp, they do however buy tickets to see giroux. Bottom line is, Giroux sells, Rupp is well "irrelevant".
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
About 6. Which is fine. Eli gets up, and plays at a higher level after getting hit. He took a pounding in the NFC Championship game in SF. He's never missed a game due to injury in his career. He's started I believe 119 straight.
- PLindbergh31


Thank Williams for that game. He handed the Giants the ball twice inside the 49ers 30 yard line. Doesnt take much skill to get points there.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
Let's be honest. Anaheim sucks. They need to rebuild. I would argue that the Flyers are built to win now. Trading Read, Gus and a 1st could make sense for both teams. I don't think anyone is saying that a 1st round pick is not valuable.

I think what people are saying is that they would sacrifice a 1st round pick because we are built to win now and that immediately Bobby Ryan enhances the 2012-2013 Flyers chances of winning more than Read and Gus. I find this a very tough position to argue.

-The Jersey Gent

- Daman


Now that makes sense. Except for the Anaheim sucking part. Saying all we'd really be giving up is Read, because of when the first round pick is going to be ready to play, or where Gutafsson winds up playing. Doesn't make sense.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
I hate that howdy doody looking little mfer but I gotta give it to him, he's one tuff sob that's for sure. Don't think he'll miss much time with a bruise on his non-throwing hand.
- JoeRussomanno


He's got a country bumpkin type look about him, but he's tough as nails, and he's a great leader. Fantastic QB. Rodgers, Brady, and a few others are probably better players (at least stats wise) but I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the NFL.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 16 @ 12:59 PM ET
If they weren't allowed to do that, then the league would be full of Albert Haynesworths.
- JoeRussomanno

Like the NHL, right?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
He's got a country bumpkin type look about him, but he's tough as nails, and he's a great leader. Fantastic QB. Rodgers, Brady, and a few others are probably better players (at least stats wise) but I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the NFL.
- PLindbergh31


Please stop!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Thank Williams for that game. He handed the Giants the ball twice inside the 49ers 30 yard line. Doesnt take much skill to get points there.
- stveshdy




And Welker handed the Giants the Super Bowl, and Asante "Buckner" handed the Giants the first Super Bowl.

One of these days, someone will "hand" the Eagles a Championship.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Lets see you buy a shelley jersey if he plays 82 games next year! No one buys tickets to see Rupp, they do however buy tickets to see giroux. Bottom line is, Giroux sells, Rupp is well "irrelevant".
- Philly1980


True but I think that skill is compensated for with salary. Regardless, I can't see this happening.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Now that makes sense. Except for the Anaheim sucking part. Saying all we'd really be giving up is Read, because of when the first round pick is going to be ready to play, or where Gutafsson winds up playing. Doesn't make sense.
- MJL


Does anybody know what time it is? I'll give you a hint. It's sponcered by Binford tools.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Lets see you buy a shelley jersey if he plays 82 games next year! No one buys tickets to see Rupp, they do however buy tickets to see giroux. Bottom line is, Giroux sells, Rupp is well "irrelevant".
- Philly1980

Personally I think jerseys are overrated. T-shirts and hoodies for me.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
Please stop!
- stveshdy




He's won two Super Bowl MVP's. Good enough for me.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
Like the NHL, right?
- BulliesPhan87

totally different ilk
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jul 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
Like the NHL, right?
- BulliesPhan87


Jay Bouwmeesters in this case.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 16 @ 1:02 PM ET


And Welker handed the Giants the Super Bowl, and Asante "Buckner" handed the Giants the first Super Bowl.

One of these days, someone will "hand" the Eagles a Championship.

- PLindbergh31


I was talking about ONE specific game. The 49ers game. The Giants deserved to win the championship. I'm just saying that Williams basically gave them the game. Eli did squat against the 49ers defense. Those two turnovers inside their own 30 yard line were the difference. Not taking credit away from Eli (as overall player) or the Giants they won the Super Bowl.
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